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ST536 in a Mega ST4
ST536 in a Mega ST4
I made a ST536 a few weeks ago and so far it hasn't been running great. It manages to boot to TOS 2.06 (with rev 5 fixes) but it freezes soon after either during disk access or running a program or demo.
I tested it first in a 1040ST where it exhibits the same behaviour. The 1040ST had all fixes done, including a recap of the psu with Exxos's kit.
Now it's in a Mega ST4 and I experience exactly the same behaviour. Cold boot: it starts up in TOS 2.06 (with rev 5 fixes) but freezes during disk access or when running a program or demo. Warm boot: it freezes during the boot process right after HDDriver has been loaded (I'm running the latest version of HDDriver btw).
I'm using an IDE2CF adapter with a Sandisk CF-card but the same problem occurs when I use an IDE2SD adapter with a Sandisk SD-card.
The Mega ST4 has the busfixes done but the PSU has not been recapped yet. On bank 1 of the rom is Emutos and it has exactly the same problem on both the ST as the Mega ST.
I flashed the Xilinx with the firmware in REV5_ST526_SLOW_ROM V2.zip
Any suggestions are welcome.
I tested it first in a 1040ST where it exhibits the same behaviour. The 1040ST had all fixes done, including a recap of the psu with Exxos's kit.
Now it's in a Mega ST4 and I experience exactly the same behaviour. Cold boot: it starts up in TOS 2.06 (with rev 5 fixes) but freezes during disk access or when running a program or demo. Warm boot: it freezes during the boot process right after HDDriver has been loaded (I'm running the latest version of HDDriver btw).
I'm using an IDE2CF adapter with a Sandisk CF-card but the same problem occurs when I use an IDE2SD adapter with a Sandisk SD-card.
The Mega ST4 has the busfixes done but the PSU has not been recapped yet. On bank 1 of the rom is Emutos and it has exactly the same problem on both the ST as the Mega ST.
I flashed the Xilinx with the firmware in REV5_ST526_SLOW_ROM V2.zip
Any suggestions are welcome.
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Re: ST536 in a Mega ST4
Make sure:
- The cache is turned off.
- HDDriver isn't set to load into/use TTRAM.
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Re: ST536 in a Mega ST4
Both in HDDriver? Both are turned off. I managed to copy GB 6 on the CF-card from a floppy and even GB 6 freezes after running some tests.stephen_usher wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:11 am Make sure:
- The cache is turned off.
- HDDriver isn't set to load into/use TTRAM.
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Re: ST536 in a Mega ST4
And GB is running from ST RAM?HomeLate wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:26 amBoth in HDDriver? Both are turned off. I managed to copy GB 6 on the CF-card from a floppy and even GB 6 freezes after running some tests.stephen_usher wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:11 am Make sure:
- The cache is turned off.
- HDDriver isn't set to load into/use TTRAM.
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Re: ST536 in a Mega ST4
Yes, it usually freezes after ROM access.stephen_usher wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:33 amAnd GB is running from ST RAM?HomeLate wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:26 am
Both in HDDriver? Both are turned off. I managed to copy GB 6 on the CF-card from a floppy and even GB 6 freezes after running some tests.
TOS now freezes after a few minutes when running idle.
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Re: ST536 in a Mega ST4
OK, so this suggests either a bus timing error or possibly a problem at the MMU.
I had something similar with one of my STFMs and it turned out to be a poor connection between the MMU and its socket. I would reseat that and use contact cleaner on the pins as a first step.
I had something similar with one of my STFMs and it turned out to be a poor connection between the MMU and its socket. I would reseat that and use contact cleaner on the pins as a first step.
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Re: ST536 in a Mega ST4
As it happens on two different STs (the 1040 and the Mega 4), I would suspect an issue with the ST536.
I have two ST536 and they both had a similar issue at first. I reflowed some suspicious joints on one of the ST536 and the issue disappeared on this card. So I would recommend double checking all solder joints.
I have two ST536 and they both had a similar issue at first. I reflowed some suspicious joints on one of the ST536 and the issue disappeared on this card. So I would recommend double checking all solder joints.
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Re: ST536 in a Mega ST4
Yes, I'm going to check the solder joints again. It runs great the first 15 minutes, GB6 works and I even could run a demo. But then it starts acting up and it freezing within seconds.olivier.jan wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 2:42 pm As it happens on two different STs (the 1040 and the Mega 4), I would suspect an issue with the ST536.
I have two ST536 and they both had a similar issue at first. I reflowed some suspicious joints on one of the ST536 and the issue disappeared on this card. So I would recommend double checking all solder joints.
So, it must be a heat related issue and a bad solder joint.
I tried Stephen's suggestion but that didn't solve the issue.
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Re: ST536 in a Mega ST4
Let it cool down properly, then fire it up and run a hairdryer (or low setting heat gun) over it. See if you can foment an earlier crash.HomeLate wrote: Fri Mar 08, 2024 4:03 pm Yes, I'm going to check the solder joints again. It runs great the first 15 minutes, GB6 works and I even could run a demo. But then it starts acting up and it freezing within seconds.
So, it must be a heat related issue
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Re: ST536 in a Mega ST4
Okay, progress:
I noticed in GB6 caches are turned on while in TOS caches is turned off and I can't turn cache on in the menu: Next, and I think this is the issue, when I remove the IDE adapter the Mega runs rock solid. It's now running a GB6 loop from floppy for at least 45 minutes and it hasn't crashed yet.
So I figure it's an IDE issue with either the ST536 or the IDE adapter. I run into the same issue with the SD-card adapter. I haven't got any other IDE adapters to test with.
I noticed in GB6 caches are turned on while in TOS caches is turned off and I can't turn cache on in the menu: Next, and I think this is the issue, when I remove the IDE adapter the Mega runs rock solid. It's now running a GB6 loop from floppy for at least 45 minutes and it hasn't crashed yet.
So I figure it's an IDE issue with either the ST536 or the IDE adapter. I run into the same issue with the SD-card adapter. I haven't got any other IDE adapters to test with.
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