Hi,
So I have this STE with 4mb RAM and a dual TOS from Exxos which has always had a bad video. The screen is pretty dim compared to my other machines, in high resolution there is a lot of noise and it increases during floppy access.
Last weekend I wanted to try a newly acquired Spectre GCR but I didn’t manage to get the ST to read any of the Mac floppies (it works ok with ST floppies).
I tried an external drive with the same results and finally switched to a 520ST which read the floppies immediately with no issue.
So, dim video, floppy reading issues, video interferences while reading floppies : I checked the Phihong (recapped) PSU, but voltage is a good 5.01v dropping to 4.99v when accessing floppy(spectre GCR not plugged in). I will try with a different PSU over the weekend, but are there any other components that could cause these issues?
Spectre GCR
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olivier.jan
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Spectre GCR
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Re: Spectre GCR
The only video issue I have really had is this one but you probably seen it already anyway https://exxosforum.co.uk/atari/last/VIDEOFIX/index.htm
Though there have been weird issues with different versions of the STE shifter as well.
Though there have been weird issues with different versions of the STE shifter as well.
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Re: Spectre GCR
Although I didn’t do all the mandatory fixes on this one, I had already done the ghosting fix. I guess I will use the scope to check this PSU against a good one. Annoying thing with the Phihong is there’s no resistor to adjust voltage as on the SR98 :-(
I’ll update this thread over the weekend if I can find the issue.
I’ll update this thread over the weekend if I can find the issue.
Retro stuff
520 STF/ 1040 STE / Mega ST / 2 Mega STE / 2 H5
2 x 600XL with U1MB /SOFIA 2/ AVG CART / and a few 1050
Apple //c, Commodore 128, Mac Classic, SE/30, LC, IIvi and PB G3 (Clamshell)
Amiga 600 and a few 486 and 386.
Many Nintendo G&W and other electronic games from the late 70s/early 80s.
520 STF/ 1040 STE / Mega ST / 2 Mega STE / 2 H5
2 x 600XL with U1MB /SOFIA 2/ AVG CART / and a few 1050
Apple //c, Commodore 128, Mac Classic, SE/30, LC, IIvi and PB G3 (Clamshell)
Amiga 600 and a few 486 and 386.
Many Nintendo G&W and other electronic games from the late 70s/early 80s.
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Re: Spectre GCR
I did a few tests this morning, mostly inconclusive :(
I measured voltage using the scope with the following scenarios:
1. Original Phihong PSU
2. Original Phihong PSU - Disk Activity
3. Meanwell PSU
4. Meanwell PSU - Disk Activity
With or without disk activity doesn't really impact the 5v voltage (difference is below 0.01v whatever the PSU).
The Phihong still outputs 4.96v but I pushed the Meanwell to 5.10v expecting to get at least a brighter screen:
- Screen is marginally brighter, but still not on par with my other STs.
- A little less interferences in Mono mode, but still much more than other STs using the same adapter/OSSC/Monitor.
- Spectre GCR Macintosh disk reading still fails.
With both PSUs I can see around 600mV Peak to peak which seems a bit high.
I start to think that the PSU is not the issue and something is generating a lot of noise in this machine. Might be time for a full recap of the motherboard.
I measured voltage using the scope with the following scenarios:
1. Original Phihong PSU
2. Original Phihong PSU - Disk Activity
3. Meanwell PSU
4. Meanwell PSU - Disk Activity
With or without disk activity doesn't really impact the 5v voltage (difference is below 0.01v whatever the PSU).
The Phihong still outputs 4.96v but I pushed the Meanwell to 5.10v expecting to get at least a brighter screen:
- Screen is marginally brighter, but still not on par with my other STs.
- A little less interferences in Mono mode, but still much more than other STs using the same adapter/OSSC/Monitor.
- Spectre GCR Macintosh disk reading still fails.
With both PSUs I can see around 600mV Peak to peak which seems a bit high.
I start to think that the PSU is not the issue and something is generating a lot of noise in this machine. Might be time for a full recap of the motherboard.
Retro stuff
520 STF/ 1040 STE / Mega ST / 2 Mega STE / 2 H5
2 x 600XL with U1MB /SOFIA 2/ AVG CART / and a few 1050
Apple //c, Commodore 128, Mac Classic, SE/30, LC, IIvi and PB G3 (Clamshell)
Amiga 600 and a few 486 and 386.
Many Nintendo G&W and other electronic games from the late 70s/early 80s.
520 STF/ 1040 STE / Mega ST / 2 Mega STE / 2 H5
2 x 600XL with U1MB /SOFIA 2/ AVG CART / and a few 1050
Apple //c, Commodore 128, Mac Classic, SE/30, LC, IIvi and PB G3 (Clamshell)
Amiga 600 and a few 486 and 386.
Many Nintendo G&W and other electronic games from the late 70s/early 80s.
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Re: Spectre GCR
Try to do the recap of the 2 big caps on the motherboard. If the PSU is recapped it's ok, but those 2 need to be replaced as well.olivier.jan wrote: 25 May 2023 18:52 Hi,
So I have this STE with 4mb RAM and a dual TOS from Exxos which has always had a bad video. The screen is pretty dim compared to my other machines, in high resolution there is a lot of noise and it increases during floppy access.
Last weekend I wanted to try a newly acquired Spectre GCR but I didn’t manage to get the ST to read any of the Mac floppies (it works ok with ST floppies).
I tried an external drive with the same results and finally switched to a 520ST which read the floppies immediately with no issue.
So, dim video, floppy reading issues, video interferences while reading floppies : I checked the Phihong (recapped) PSU, but voltage is a good 5.01v dropping to 4.99v when accessing floppy(spectre GCR not plugged in). I will try with a different PSU over the weekend, but are there any other components that could cause these issues?
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Re: Spectre GCR
I had an Mega 4ST that would be very strange with a Spectre GCR attached.
Done ALL the mandatory fixes + complete cap change, now works perfectly.
Done ALL the mandatory fixes + complete cap change, now works perfectly.
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Re: Spectre GCR
I had video (similar symptoms to what you describe) and booting stability issues with one of my STE's. Initially thinking it was a PSU issue, I was tuning the voltage up a little bit above 5v in order to get it to boot stably but even then it was only somewhat stable.
Turns out it wasn't a power supply problem, it was a plcc oxidation issue. I swapped out the shifter plcc chip to test a new one and put in some deoxit and everything cleared up and runs perfectly at stock power with both the old and new shifter chips.
Just a thought if your shifter is socketed and you hadn't tried this yet.
Turns out it wasn't a power supply problem, it was a plcc oxidation issue. I swapped out the shifter plcc chip to test a new one and put in some deoxit and everything cleared up and runs perfectly at stock power with both the old and new shifter chips.
Just a thought if your shifter is socketed and you hadn't tried this yet.
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