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Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

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Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

Post by GianDO »

Hi,
I would need a TF accelerator card for my Amiga 600 and Amiga 2000. I would like these TF cards to be equipped with a 68030 processor with FPU @ 50 Mhz and 64 MB of RAM. What do you recommend?

Thank you
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Re: Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

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GianDO wrote: 10 Oct 2020 23:37 Hi,
I would need a TF accelerator card for my Amiga 600 and Amiga 2000. I would like these TF cards to be equipped with a 68030 processor with FPU @ 50 Mhz and 64 MB of RAM. What do you recommend?

Thank you
GianDO
TF cards either have 64Mb or FPU. Not both.
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Re: Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

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terriblefire wrote: 10 Oct 2020 23:40
GianDO wrote: 10 Oct 2020 23:37 Hi,
I would need a TF accelerator card for my Amiga 600 and Amiga 2000. I would like these TF cards to be equipped with a 68030 processor with FPU @ 50 Mhz and 64 MB of RAM. What do you recommend?

Thank you
GianDO
TF cards either have 64Mb or FPU. Not both.
Thanks for reply.

How come it can't have both?

How much RAM does a TF with FPU have on board?

So to a TF with 64 MB RAM I can't add an FPU later?
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Re: Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

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GianDO wrote: 11 Oct 2020 00:00 Thanks for reply.

How come it can't have both?
It was a conscious decision not to put an FPU on the later cards.
How much RAM does a TF with FPU have on board?
4Mb in the TF534,
So to a TF with 64 MB RAM I can't add an FPU later?
Thats correct. You cannot add an FPU later on the TF536 or TF330 (for CD32).
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Re: Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

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It was a conscious decision not to put an FPU on the later cards.



Why wouldn't it change much in terms of performance or for an economic issue?
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Re: Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

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GianDO wrote: 11 Oct 2020 00:12 Why wouldn't it change much in terms of performance or for an economic issue?
The TF536 was a direct port of the successful TF330 for the CD32. It was created because people asked for it.

The FPU wasnt put on the TF330 because really very few CD32 titles would make use of the FPU and really I didnt want the RSI from routing it.

The FPU is only really of benefit to productivity applications (virtually no *original* amiga games at all use the FPU) and the TF cards are really supposed to be budget low end cards.
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Re: Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

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The TF536 was a direct port of the successful TF330 for the CD32. It was created because people asked for it.

The FPU wasnt put on the TF330 because really very few CD32 titles would make use of the FPU and really I didnt want the RSI from routing it.

The FPU is only really of benefit to productivity applications (virtually no *original* amiga games at all use the FPU) and the TF cards are really supposed to be budget low end cards.

The TF536 was a direct port of the successful TF330 for the CD32. It was created because people asked for it.

The FPU wasnt put on the TF330 because really very few CD32 titles would make use of the FPU and really I didnt want the RSI from routing it.

The FPU is only really of benefit to productivity applications (virtually no *original* amiga games at all use the FPU) and the TF cards are really supposed to be budget low end cards.

So with a TF there is no way now or ever to have a 68030 with FPU and a lot of RAM on an A2000 or A600?
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Re: Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

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Thats correct. If thats what you want you should look at other solutions.
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Re: Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

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Thats correct. If thats what you want you should look at other solutions.
OK. Thank you very much
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Re: Terrible Fire on Amiga 600 and A 2000

Post by alenppc »

Guys the FPU is beyond useless. Even on the 060 I was able to run virtually everything without one and it’s probably the only system that CAN benefit somewhat from it.

Also don’t count on the 536 running reliably on the A600. There is a whole bunch of problems with it so you really shouldn’t consider this as an A600 card at all.

Also the 534 won’t boot on the A600 at all.

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