You will not be able to post if you are still using Microsoft email addresses such as Hotmail etc
See here for more information viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7296
BOOKMARK THIS PAGE !
https://www.exxosforum.co.uk:8085/IP_CHECK/
You can unban yourself if needed. It also sends me reports to investigate the ban.
DO NOT USE MOBILE / CGNAT DEVICES WHERE THE IP CHANGES CONSTANTLY!
At this time, it is unfortunately not possible to whitelist users when your IP changes constantly.
You may inadvertently get banned because a previous attack may have used the IP you are now on.
So I suggest people only use fixed IP address devices until I can think of a solution for this problem!

1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Problems with your machine in general.
User avatar
Marsupilami
Posts: 47
Joined: 03 Apr 2018 17:55

1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by Marsupilami »

Hello again it's me :lol:

Once the TOS upgrade was done, I wanted to install the RAM ugrade in my 1040 STF.
But all i have now is a screen with a white border and a black center.
Before removing the 32 RAMs (that's the only option left i see), I wanted to know if everything was good or if I had forgotten something?
I also tried to remove / set MMU RAM PCB back in place. No Luck.

Step 1:
20191013-164409.jpg
Step 2,3,4 soldering, cutting :
20191013-171106.jpg
20191013-173331.jpg
20191013-173904.jpg
Step 5,6,7 : Fitting MMU RAM PCB and connecting it to the Shifter Adapter
20191013-174334.jpg
20191013-182621.jpg
20191013-182631.jpg
Step 8,9,10 : Old RAM isolation
20191013-183140.jpg
20191013-182653.jpg
20191013-183148.jpg
Final Step : It should work but it does not :roll:
20191013-183943.jpg
Thanks - again - for your help :)
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
https://www.atarinside.com : Atari 800XL in Europe France/Italy/Benelux/Deutschland/UK White&Silver plastic boxes : Dumps, Videos, Books, reference list / + / as usual high resolution pictures of the Atari 800 XL motherboards.
User avatar
DoG
Posts: 1292
Joined: 07 Apr 2018 12:26

Re: 1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by DoG »

It seems that you soldered the turned pin strips upside down. You shouldn't have to cut the pins after you solder it. Since the the pins are a bit to thick now you might find it difficult to push down in the socket. It seems that it is not pushed down enough in the pic.

Is the MMU adaptor fitted correctly and pushed down enough? No broken pins? You have to fiddle a couple of times until it slides down further into the socket. And I hope that the MMU is still fitted in the socket underneath?

Often it's just bad connection somewhere.
User avatar
exxos
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 28217
Joined: 16 Aug 2017 23:19
Location: UK

Re: 1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by exxos »

As said above the pins are upside down. I don't know if they will make good contact in the shifter socket. Best thing is to remove the ram board, connect the resistors back up, and see if your machine boots and verify your video is working correctly first.
User avatar
Marsupilami
Posts: 47
Joined: 03 Apr 2018 17:55

Re: 1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by Marsupilami »

DoG wrote: 13 Oct 2019 20:57 It seems that you soldered the turned pin strips upside down. You shouldn't have to cut the pins after you solder it. Since the the pins are a bit to thick now you might find it difficult to push down in the socket. It seems that it is not pushed down enough in the pic.
You're right. I did it to have more space above. It fits quite well.
DoG wrote: 13 Oct 2019 20:57 Is the MMU adaptor fitted correctly and pushed down enough? No broken pins? You have to fiddle a couple of times until it slides down further into the socket. And I hope that the MMU is still fitted in the socket underneath?
It's in place. I tried to remove it (the MMu adapter) gently and put it back in place : Same problem.
exxos wrote: 14 Oct 2019 00:08 As said above the pins are upside down. I don't know if they will make good contact in the shifter socket. Best thing is to remove the ram board, connect the resistors back up, and see if your machine boots and verify your video is working correctly first.
Thanks Exxos. I followed your advice and the ST works fine with the resistors back in their original place, the shifter adapter but without the RAM "MMu adapter" board.
20191014-223700.jpg
What's the next step ?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
https://www.atarinside.com : Atari 800XL in Europe France/Italy/Benelux/Deutschland/UK White&Silver plastic boxes : Dumps, Videos, Books, reference list / + / as usual high resolution pictures of the Atari 800 XL motherboards.
User avatar
PhilC
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 7426
Joined: 23 Mar 2018 20:22

Re: 1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by PhilC »

It might pay you to remove the MMU and check and clean the pins with IPA. You have to remember that this MMU adaptor is designed to fit in what is essentially the wrong side of the socket pins, so a pin that's distorted or dirty wont help matters much.

I've used two of these exxos 4mb upgrades and they do work very well but with some socket tweaking at first in my machines.
If it ain't broke, test it to Destruction.
User avatar
rubber_jonnie
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 14801
Joined: 17 Aug 2017 19:40
Location: Essex

Re: 1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by rubber_jonnie »

A white border and black centregenerally means that no RAM is avaiable, and that is often because of poor MMU contacts.

I'd suggest you clean the socket pins, and the chippins, and follow my guide to tweak the contacts like this https://www.exxosforum.co.uk/forum/viewt ... 094#p16094, and make sure it is all good before attempting the upgrade.

Make sure you sort out the Shifter adapter pins,as if they are too short you will have a problem.

If tou still get a black screen with white border, it's almost certainly something to do with the contacts in the MMU socket, so you'll need to work out what is going on.

Remember they don't plug between the socket and chip, but around the outside of the edge of the contacts, or you'll likely have poor connectivity.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
User avatar
Marsupilami
Posts: 47
Joined: 03 Apr 2018 17:55

Re: 1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by Marsupilami »

Thank you rubber_jonnie & PhilC. I followed exactly what you said.
Then I put all the things back where they belong...
Same result: Black screen, white border.
It's killing me :roll:
https://www.atarinside.com : Atari 800XL in Europe France/Italy/Benelux/Deutschland/UK White&Silver plastic boxes : Dumps, Videos, Books, reference list / + / as usual high resolution pictures of the Atari 800 XL motherboards.
User avatar
Marsupilami
Posts: 47
Joined: 03 Apr 2018 17:55

Re: 1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by Marsupilami »

Ok. So I tried to swap :
- the shifter adapter and the RAM "MMu adapter" board from a previously upgraded STF : Same problem on the same STF board. At least it's not a problem with exxos kit.
- the PSU : Same problem.
I also tried (for the 4th time) to clean with IPA and a needle the MMU pins : Same problem. black screen/white borders.

Heres the 2 boards i used :
The C070789-001 rev. B does work with both kits.
20191020-174223.jpg
The C070789-001 rev. D doesn't work with both kits.
20191020-174016.jpg
They look similar but maybe there's something else to change ? (see below the animated GIF to compare)
anim.gif
Anyone want to try to fix it? Clearly, it's beyond my electronic skills. :cry:
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
https://www.atarinside.com : Atari 800XL in Europe France/Italy/Benelux/Deutschland/UK White&Silver plastic boxes : Dumps, Videos, Books, reference list / + / as usual high resolution pictures of the Atari 800 XL motherboards.
User avatar
exxos
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 28217
Joined: 16 Aug 2017 23:19
Location: UK

Re: 1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by exxos »

If you have a SR98 PSU, they have a 5V adjust. Try making sure its at 5V. You can try between 4.8V and 5.2V. You may need to change the address & databus resistors to 2.2K.

Also can you please edit your post and upload images to the forum and not link to external sites.. as when those images vanish , the thread will make little sense to people with the same issues in the future :)
User avatar
Marsupilami
Posts: 47
Joined: 03 Apr 2018 17:55

Re: 1040 STF...Unlucky :)

Post by Marsupilami »

exxos wrote: 20 Oct 2019 22:12 If you have a SR98 PSU, they have a 5V adjust. Try making sure its at 5V. You can try between 4.8V and 5.2V. You may need to change the address & databus resistors to 2.2K.
I tried with a Mitsumi SR98 PSU : 4.86 (the lowest it can do), 5.0 and up to 5.2v too : Same thing.
exxos wrote: 20 Oct 2019 22:12 Also can you please edit your post and upload images to the forum and not link to external sites.. as when those images vanish , the thread will make little sense to people with the same issues in the future :)
OK but i can't edit my previous posts :?
https://www.atarinside.com : Atari 800XL in Europe France/Italy/Benelux/Deutschland/UK White&Silver plastic boxes : Dumps, Videos, Books, reference list / + / as usual high resolution pictures of the Atari 800 XL motherboards.

Return to “HARDWARE ISSUES”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CCBot and 35 guests