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So I thought after we talked I'd revisit the Famicom jailbars and realised that with that upgrade installed, the cap across pins 20/22 of the PPU actually make NO difference at all.
When I was picking up video direct from pin 21 of the PPU it did make it look better, but when the PPU circuit is as normal (As it is for this upgrade) that particular jailbar fix is redundant.
As it goes the current jailbar situation is as I said, only really on big blocks of blue and is equivalent to the direct connect to the PPU via pin 21 with a comp mod WITH the cap, so it's really OK.
I will have a look though, see if there are any other options for improvement.
I'd still recommend the upgrade though :)
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@rubber_jonnie
Here is a good video worth watching if you want to get rid of the jailbars:
It's in Japanese, but it's easy to understand what has to be done.
8-)
Here is a good video worth watching if you want to get rid of the jailbars:
It's in Japanese, but it's easy to understand what has to be done.
8-)
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Thanks, I'll have a look 😁HigashiJun wrote: 24 Nov 2025 02:07 @rubber_jonnie
Here is a good video worth watching if you want to get rid of the jailbars:
It's in Japanese, but it's easy to understand what has to be done.
8-)
EDIT - That's quite extensive work in terms of cap replacement and modding the PPU output. I'll have to have a think about that.
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Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Of course, the other way to look at the jail bars is that they're part of the charm of a nearly 40 year old design. :-)
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That's also a commendable point of view.
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I don't entirely disagree with that PoV.stephen_usher wrote: 24 Nov 2025 09:17 Of course, the other way to look at the jail bars is that they're part of the charm of a nearly 40 year old design. :-)
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Well, while I try to decide if I let the jailbars go or fix them, I at least have the replacement rubbers coming through for controller 2, and they're in the country :)
That'll be up soon, and controller 2 is slightly different in that it has no start/select buttons, just the D-Pad and buttons A & B. However it does have a microphone, though not sure what software it works with.
That'll be up soon, and controller 2 is slightly different in that it has no start/select buttons, just the D-Pad and buttons A & B. However it does have a microphone, though not sure what software it works with.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Answer:rubber_jonnie wrote: 25 Nov 2025 10:58 However it does have a microphone, though not sure what software it works with.
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Nice, is it just those two then?HigashiJun wrote: 25 Nov 2025 11:34Answer:rubber_jonnie wrote: 25 Nov 2025 10:58 However it does have a microphone, though not sure what software it works with.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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There is also another obscure game called Takeshi no Chosenjo:
More details here:
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