Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound

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Over the years I've had a lot of ttl oxide just inside the package the Fujitsu being the worst

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It seems like you're having similar failures to Adrian Black and his Model II and Model III combined! :-)
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stephen_usher wrote: 28 Sep 2022 20:00 It seems like you're having similar failures to Adrian Black and his Model II and Model III combined! :-)
Looks like it, yeah...
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Tomswork wrote: 28 Sep 2022 19:59 Over the years iv had alot off ttl oxide just inside the package the Fujitsu being the worst

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This is definitely the worst one so far
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So in preparation for the new ICs arriving (74LS05s and 74LS368s) I started by removing the D1 column IC, Z3, at lunchtime. I tested it and guess what, that's dead too.

So I will likely just remove and test them all so I can fit sockets. I also suspect the A5 row IC to have a bad gate, which is Z1, so it makes sense to replace all 4 ICs if I have to remove at least 2 of them.
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Sounds like a good plan. I wouldn't be surprised if slowly most of the 74LS logic chips go bad. It does feel like it's had power issues which have damaged chips.
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stephen_usher wrote: 29 Sep 2022 14:39 Sounds like a good plan. I wouldn't be surprised if slowly most of the 74LS logic chips go bad. It does feel like it's had power issues which have damaged chips.
Yeah, I agree, the more i've used it, the more it's slowly failed, so I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch more go, especially since the zener that failed was part of the 5v regulation, so the fact it failed shorted suggests an over-voltage on the 5v rail. I am prepared for more failures, but hoping that after this latest round for a bit of a break!!

It might also explain why some of the original RAM ICs were bad too if they had an over-voltage.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Well, that's the new sockets installed:

PXL_20220929_172653203.jpg

Just got to wait for the parts now.

All bar one, a 74LS05 tested bad, though I think some have spare gates which is why I only had one bad column and one bad row, as they were partially working and not totally dead.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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So, have you ordered a complete BOM for the machine yet? ;-)
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Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
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stephen_usher wrote: 29 Sep 2022 21:33 So, have you ordered a complete BOM for the machine yet? ;-)
No, but it's certainly tempting...
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...

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