Whoops, I did it again. I have a problem, Dragon 32 inbound

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Re: Whoops, I did it again. I have a problem, Dragon 32 inbound

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If you're going to do a full desolder you might as well put a socket in there.
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Re: Whoops, I did it again. I have a problem, Dragon 32 inbound

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stephen_usher wrote: 01 Apr 2022 09:44 If you're going to do a full desolder you might as well put a socket in there.
Yeah I will, though I need to see if I have something suitable first. There's plenty of room above the mainboard so no problems having a socket there.

From what I can see the only reason for having such a vast case is either to allow for a mechanical keyboard and/or convection cooling.
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Re: Whoops, I did it again. I have a problem, Dragon 32 inbound

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I think it was mostly that the motherboard + power board are large and having the mechanical keyboard, forcing the height. Otherwise it's just a mildly styled box. The large internal space is just a by-product.
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Re: Whoops, I did it again. I have a problem, Dragon 32 inbound

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stephen_usher wrote: 01 Apr 2022 10:03 I think it was mostly that the motherboard + power board are large and having the mechanical keyboard, forcing the height. Otherwise it's just a mildly styled box. The large internal space is just a by-product.
TBH the mainboard isn't that big, it's a smidge smaller than the one in my Toshiba HX-20. The power board is huge though, as wide as the mobo, and half as deep with a huge heatsink:

PXL_20220401_091504718.jpg

It's just slightly smaller than the Apple ][e, though I have to say, it is smaller than I remember. This is possibly the last machine I need to collect from my childhood, with the exception of a TRS-80 perhaps.
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Re: Whoops, I did it again. I have a problem, Dragon 32 inbound

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Well, it's ALMOST a TRS-80 CoCo. :-)
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stephen_usher wrote: 01 Apr 2022 10:27 Well, it's ALMOST a TRS-80 CoCo. :-)
I know, so close, but it's one of these I really want:

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Re: Whoops, I did it again. I have a problem, Dragon 32 inbound

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Tried a quick lunchtime reflow of the obviously bad pins, but still no keyboard action.

However, I did notice I have a flashing cursor, which I don't recall before, so thinking that the machine is actually working 😁

So, full desolder of the 8261 and socketing later.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Re: Whoops, I did it again. I have a problem, Dragon 32 inbound

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If you have issues, have a chat with @HereBeDragons3 on Twitter.
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stephen_usher wrote: 01 Apr 2022 12:17 If you have issues, have a chat with @HereBeDragons3 on Twitter.
Cool, thanks 😁
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Re: Whoops, I did it again. I have a problem, Dragon 32 inbound

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Ok, so I suspect the M6821 PIA is not happy, however I made what seems to be a bit of a surprising discovery with the keyboard PCB.

This is just one of the key switches:

PXL_20220402_105700736.jpg

Now I'm feeling a bit dumb, I checked the switches worked ok, but almost entirely discarded the idea that the keyboard itself was bad on account of it being so simple. I thought this morning "Let's just give the keyboard the once over under the magnifier, make sure there's no track damage".

And I'm glad I did because all of the keys are in this state.

There are some that have only 1 failed joint, but the majority have both.

I see a major reflow exercise over the weekend, and I'll also remove the PIA and socket it too.

I've never seen this many bad solder joints in one place, it's quite astonishing, and does show that mechanical damage can easily contribute to problems in machines of this age.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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