I'll second that about the weak key posts, IIRC the C128 uses the same or similar and they are very fragile.PhilC wrote: 23 Sep 2024 21:20Would you be willing to art with those Stephen? Obviously for whatever you think they are worth. I'll keep them with my C128 & 128D.
Btw, those plus 4 keys are made of very cheap weak plastic, if you do need to remove one be careful as the centre square pins snap off so very easily.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Do you still have the 800XL manuals? If so I'd be interested, thanks.stephen_usher wrote: 22 Sep 2024 20:20 Sorting through the horde, some interesting finds, other than the HTC Clio 110 Windows Mobile phone/Atom based Windows tablet with slide-out keyboard...
A set of Atari 800XL manuals but not Atari 800XL.
A complete set of Commodore 128 manuals, including the programmer's guide... but no C128.
RISCOS ANSI C compiler and documentation.
Two AMX mice, one set with User Port connector and ROMs, the other older version with documentation but no ROMs.
Obviously I do understand somebody has already asked for them so I'm the backup asker :)
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Ahh damn, that sucks big time. Selling is such a traumatic experience, and these sorts of shenanigans just drive you mad.stephen_usher wrote: 24 Sep 2024 11:50 Yay! My dad's house sale has been pushed back yet again. :-/
Was supposed to exchange contracts last Thursday/Friday/Yesterday with completion on Thursday. Now that's been postponed to either the 2nd or 8th October.
It's not my direct buyers who are the problem, it the ones one link up the chain. My buyers are pulling their hair out.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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I do have a spare Plus 4 keyboard somewhere, already minus some keys, so if you need a key or two then give me a shout.rubber_jonnie wrote: 24 Sep 2024 13:15I'll second that about the weak key posts, IIRC the C128 uses the same or similar and they are very fragile.PhilC wrote: 23 Sep 2024 21:20
Would you be willing to art with those Stephen? Obviously for whatever you think they are worth. I'll keep them with my C128 & 128D.
Btw, those plus 4 keys are made of very cheap weak plastic, if you do need to remove one be careful as the centre square pins snap off so very easily.
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There are two (at least) completely different types of Plus4 keyboard apparently. One is an Alps dome, like the ST, and the other is Mitsumi with the conductive rubber fingers, like the TT.PhilC wrote: 24 Sep 2024 13:24 [I do have a spare Plus 4 keyboard somewhere, already minus some keys, so if you need a key or two then give me a shout.
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That would be most excellent 👌stephen_usher wrote: 24 Sep 2024 11:51Yeah, I'll have to see how to send them in the post, and find an envelope large enough.Hellraiseruk wrote: 23 Sep 2024 21:14 Oooh, might be interested in those if you feel a need to part with them....
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The machine screws and speaker for the Electron have arrived. Should be able to get that fully complete in short order.
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ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
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:yay:stephen_usher wrote: 26 Sep 2024 14:25 The machine screws and speaker for the Electron have arrived. Should be able to get that fully complete in short order.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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The Electron... It beeps! It screws together! :-)
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Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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Yesterday I was off work trying to get a GP appointment... Managed to get a "physician associate" appointment instead and, most importantly antibiotics.
Anyway, that left me with the afternoon spare so, having noticed that the upper "pin 2" of both the Commodore 64 tape port and the Plus/4 user port were both +5V and the SD2IEC virtual floppy drive used the cassette port for power I thought, why not make the adapter fit so the SD2IEC can work on both machines?
So, out with the Dremel... Bwahahahaha!
The result... it works!
Found how to load the file browser/launcher application...
Downloaded a game and put it onto the SD card to test...
Yay! I can now use more than just the built in office suite and the diag cartridge.
Modern games, which are written with the Plus/4 rather than C16 in mind, actually look quite nice. The sound is nothing like the C64, more the BBC Micro, but it's generally OK and good enough for most games. There's even a port of the C64 version of Elite which seems to play just as well as the Beeb version but with more colours.
I can see why the machine didn't take off though... The C16 killed it. All the original games are targeted at that cheap machine which had too little memory and they are quick, cheap and awful games and none take advantage of the Plus/4's extra memory.
Anyway, that left me with the afternoon spare so, having noticed that the upper "pin 2" of both the Commodore 64 tape port and the Plus/4 user port were both +5V and the SD2IEC virtual floppy drive used the cassette port for power I thought, why not make the adapter fit so the SD2IEC can work on both machines?
So, out with the Dremel... Bwahahahaha!
The result... it works!
Found how to load the file browser/launcher application...
Downloaded a game and put it onto the SD card to test...
Yay! I can now use more than just the built in office suite and the diag cartridge.
Modern games, which are written with the Plus/4 rather than C16 in mind, actually look quite nice. The sound is nothing like the C64, more the BBC Micro, but it's generally OK and good enough for most games. There's even a port of the C64 version of Elite which seems to play just as well as the Beeb version but with more colours.
I can see why the machine didn't take off though... The C16 killed it. All the original games are targeted at that cheap machine which had too little memory and they are quick, cheap and awful games and none take advantage of the Plus/4's extra memory.
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Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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