Can all registered uses please login, even just for a few minutes..
It helps build a picture where our "good traffic" is coming from..
Thanks :)

Internal adapter polarity?

General discussions or ideas about hardware.
Post Reply
User avatar
Darklord
Site sponsor
Site sponsor
Posts: 1626
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:41 pm
Location: Prestonsburg
Contact:

Internal adapter polarity?

Post by Darklord »

Okay, I'm horrible with electronics in case no one has noticed yet :shock: so I've got
another question. It's probably obvious for 95% of the people here but I don't want to
make a mistake and fry something.

I've got this internal Mega STe/STacy adapter from Alan H. for my STacy and it's internal
Ultrasatan.

It has a standard 2 wire power lead using a regular barrel. Well, with the upgrades I'm
doing, it needs a 90 degree barrel to clear where I've mounted the Pico PS. So I've got
one coming from Amazon.

In the picture I'll attach below you can see the adapter is using a blue and red wire. The
90 degree lead has a black and white wire.

So...white to red and black to blue or ?

Thanks everyone.

Mega STe_STacy US Adapter.JPG
Mega STe_STacy US Adapter.JPG (110.76 KiB) Viewed 1112 times
Welcome To DarkForce! www.darkforce.org "The Fuji Lives.!"
Atari SW/HW based BBS-Telnet:darkforce-bbs.dyndns.org 1040
User avatar
rubber_jonnie
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 15148
Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:40 pm
Location: Essex
Contact:

Re: Internal adapter polarity?

Post by rubber_jonnie »

Just use a multimeter in continuity mode and see which wire goes to the centre of the barrel and which goes to the outside.

Do the same for the replacement barrel and just match them up one for one.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
User avatar
Darklord
Site sponsor
Site sponsor
Posts: 1626
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:41 pm
Location: Prestonsburg
Contact:

Re: Internal adapter polarity?

Post by Darklord »

rubber_jonnie wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2024 8:54 am Just use a multimeter in continuity mode and see which wire goes to the centre of the barrel and which goes to the outside.

Do the same for the replacement barrel and just match them up one for one.
Thanks, was actually thinking along those lines.

This wouldn't solve the problem though, if say, everything was center +, but the device
you're going to was center- ? I know most aren't but I'm just paranoid. :)

I did find an entry on Jookie's website about the Ultrasatan that says not to worry about
polarity because there's a rectifier...

Thanks for the reply.
Welcome To DarkForce! www.darkforce.org "The Fuji Lives.!"
Atari SW/HW based BBS-Telnet:darkforce-bbs.dyndns.org 1040
User avatar
rubber_jonnie
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 15148
Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:40 pm
Location: Essex
Contact:

Re: Internal adapter polarity?

Post by rubber_jonnie »

Darklord wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:00 am
rubber_jonnie wrote: Sun Jun 02, 2024 8:54 am Just use a multimeter in continuity mode and see which wire goes to the centre of the barrel and which goes to the outside.

Do the same for the replacement barrel and just match them up one for one.
Thanks, was actually thinking along those lines.

This wouldn't solve the problem though, if say, everything was center +, but the device
you're going to was center- ? I know most aren't but I'm just paranoid. :)

I did find an entry on Jookie's website about the Ultrasatan that says not to worry about
polarity because there's a rectifier...

Thanks for the reply.
You can do the same on the device. Find something you know is ground and then probe the connections on the power input socket. Whichever is ground will buzz out.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
User avatar
Darklord
Site sponsor
Site sponsor
Posts: 1626
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:41 pm
Location: Prestonsburg
Contact:

Re: Internal adapter polarity?

Post by Darklord »

rubber_jonnie wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 9:07 am You can do the same on the device. Find something you know is ground and then probe the connections on the power input socket. Whichever is ground will buzz out.
Right, gotcha - thanks! :)
Welcome To DarkForce! www.darkforce.org "The Fuji Lives.!"
Atari SW/HW based BBS-Telnet:darkforce-bbs.dyndns.org 1040
User avatar
Darklord
Site sponsor
Site sponsor
Posts: 1626
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:41 pm
Location: Prestonsburg
Contact:

Re: Internal adapter polarity?

Post by Darklord »

Okay, continuity check results.

Straight barrel leads I have are Red wire Center +, White wire Outside -.

90 degree barrel leads I have are White wire Center +, Black wire Outside -.

So far so good. Then I get to the internal Ultrasatan adapter, with it's blue
and red wires.

Blue wire is Outside - (strong reading)

Red wire is Center + (strong reading)

However, the Center also gives a weak (halfway on the meter) reading on
the Blue wire.

I have no idea why that would be so? I'm thinking because I'm testing it with
it still attached to the adapter that it's reading like that. I'd almost be willing
to bet that once I disconnect it, it would show straight readings. I'll recheck it
once I actually swap it out for the 90 degree barrel lead.

Thanks.
Welcome To DarkForce! www.darkforce.org "The Fuji Lives.!"
Atari SW/HW based BBS-Telnet:darkforce-bbs.dyndns.org 1040
LarryL
Site sponsor
Site sponsor
Posts: 245
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:42 pm
Location: Germany

Re: Internal adapter polarity?

Post by LarryL »

All the electronics on the adapter are connected to + and -

So you will measure this as a resistance between + and -
User avatar
rubber_jonnie
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 15148
Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:40 pm
Location: Essex
Contact:

Re: Internal adapter polarity?

Post by rubber_jonnie »

LarryL wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:50 am All the electronics on the adapter are connected to + and -

So you will measure this as a resistance between + and -
You beat me to it.

@Darklord if you connect GND to GND you will get a strong buzz with no resistance. If you connect to positive you will see a resistance between positive and GND.

You want the strong buzz with no resistance, then you are connected GND to GND.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
User avatar
Darklord
Site sponsor
Site sponsor
Posts: 1626
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:41 pm
Location: Prestonsburg
Contact:

Re: Internal adapter polarity?

Post by Darklord »

Understood - thanks guys. :)
Welcome To DarkForce! www.darkforce.org "The Fuji Lives.!"
Atari SW/HW based BBS-Telnet:darkforce-bbs.dyndns.org 1040
User avatar
Darklord
Site sponsor
Site sponsor
Posts: 1626
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:41 pm
Location: Prestonsburg
Contact:

Re: Internal adapter polarity?

Post by Darklord »

All back together and working fine. Thanks for all the help gang.

Even with the 90 degree barrel power lead, it's a tight fit in there! :)

Internal US Adapter - Pico PS_1.JPG
Internal US Adapter - Pico PS_1.JPG (246.68 KiB) Viewed 888 times
Internal US Adapter - Pico PS_2.JPG
Internal US Adapter - Pico PS_2.JPG (268.96 KiB) Viewed 888 times
Welcome To DarkForce! www.darkforce.org "The Fuji Lives.!"
Atari SW/HW based BBS-Telnet:darkforce-bbs.dyndns.org 1040
Post Reply

Return to “HARDWARE DISCUSSIONS”