Indeed. I'm currently using one as a host for a SCSI CD-ROM drive. (Must find a SCSI CD caddy at some point). :)
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I finally got around to working upon the Apricot FP and its memory problem.
I've desoldered all the RAM and it all tests fine in the tester. This suggests an address line issue further up the tree, but I can't verify this without replacing all the RAM and seeing if the issue goes away or not.
So, this afternoon I'll clean up the board, fit sockets and then different RAM chips. I can then test.
Because this is a multiplexed address bus the upper and lower addresses are held in buffer chips, so those would be the next suspects.
Unfortunately, due to the design I can't test the system "live" as I can't fit the display if the board is on the bench.
P.S. It's not buffers on the FP, it's a TMS4500 memory controller. :-/
P.P.S. Actually some 373s feed into the TMS4500.
I've desoldered all the RAM and it all tests fine in the tester. This suggests an address line issue further up the tree, but I can't verify this without replacing all the RAM and seeing if the issue goes away or not.
So, this afternoon I'll clean up the board, fit sockets and then different RAM chips. I can then test.
Because this is a multiplexed address bus the upper and lower addresses are held in buffer chips, so those would be the next suspects.
Unfortunately, due to the design I can't test the system "live" as I can't fit the display if the board is on the bench.
P.S. It's not buffers on the FP, it's a TMS4500 memory controller. :-/
P.P.S. Actually some 373s feed into the TMS4500.
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Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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Will keep my fingers crossed for a good result :crossed1:
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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It's not the RAM. A complete memory transplant and the machine behaves the same way. So, it's either the TMS4500 memory controller chip or one of the 74LS373 which latch the address on the bus.
It's a very strange address at which the machine crashes, 0x3A000. I'm guessing something's looping back to zero and its overwriting the interrupt table.
I'll see if I have any 373s in stock. If I do then I'll swap IC25 which latches the top bits of the address.
It's a very strange address at which the machine crashes, 0x3A000. I'm guessing something's looping back to zero and its overwriting the interrupt table.
I'll see if I have any 373s in stock. If I do then I'll swap IC25 which latches the top bits of the address.
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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Swapped the top 373 and no change, and the old chip tests OK in the EPROM programmer too. It must be the TMS4500. Boo!
At least it's socketed.
At least it's socketed.
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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I'm now wondering if it's a power supply issue.
The PSU is only outputting ~4.8V and by the time it reaches the RAM area it's down to 4.6V. The DATA-IN on the RAM is only getting up to 3.5-3.6V for a high, which is good enough for TTL but it's a bit iffy.
I've replaced the capacitors in the output area of the PSU from what I remember. Being a "cheap" Aztec supply it doesn't have adjustment pots only fixed resistors for the output regulation.
Anyway, I don't have time to look into it this week as there are final preparations for the show next weekend.
The PSU is only outputting ~4.8V and by the time it reaches the RAM area it's down to 4.6V. The DATA-IN on the RAM is only getting up to 3.5-3.6V for a high, which is good enough for TTL but it's a bit iffy.
I've replaced the capacitors in the output area of the PSU from what I remember. Being a "cheap" Aztec supply it doesn't have adjustment pots only fixed resistors for the output regulation.
Anyway, I don't have time to look into it this week as there are final preparations for the show next weekend.
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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Well, that's the Cyber Legends set-up for the Memotech verified:
- Memotech MTX512 with MFX board fitted.
- VGA cable.
- Dell 17" VGA LCD Monitor with Sound Bar and "kettle" lead.
- Phono cable with adapter for stereo jack.
- Zip Stick joystick.
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Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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OK, back to the Apricot FP...
When lightly loaded (just the floppy) the +5V is at 5.01V. With one of the boards in there it's ~4.9V. With both boards it's 4.64V. But, if I remove some load by disconnecting the floppy drive the voltage doesn't go up it goes down, to 4.4V!
Anyway, I ran my memory tests again and whatever I've done has changed the failure address from 3:2A00 to 3:3900. I've just moved the memory into sockets (same chips), replaced the 74LS373 driving the upper address lines and control lines and reseated the CPU and memory controller chips.
I'm sure the low power must be having some effect.
When lightly loaded (just the floppy) the +5V is at 5.01V. With one of the boards in there it's ~4.9V. With both boards it's 4.64V. But, if I remove some load by disconnecting the floppy drive the voltage doesn't go up it goes down, to 4.4V!
Anyway, I ran my memory tests again and whatever I've done has changed the failure address from 3:2A00 to 3:3900. I've just moved the memory into sockets (same chips), replaced the 74LS373 driving the upper address lines and control lines and reseated the CPU and memory controller chips.
I'm sure the low power must be having some effect.
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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I dont think I can ever see too many pictures of that beauty. Cannot wait to see it for real. :)stephen_usher wrote: 18 Sep 2022 14:53 Well, that's the Cyber Legends set-up for the Memotech verified:
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The TMS4500A-15 arrived today. I may have time this evening to swap the chips to see if it makes any difference.
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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