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Re: I've been Coleco'd

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HigashiJun wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:22 am And just hope it will solve some issues too.

8-)
Me too, and I think that it should be easy to do a composite mod with just a few components as described here: Colecovison composite out

The modulator is where the mod happens and it's on a separate board and just needs a few components, so I could mostly reassemble the CV and still have access to do the mod.
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Re: I've been Coleco'd

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@rubber_jonnie

The composite mod is really easy.

Worth giving it a try.
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HigashiJun wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:58 am @rubber_jonnie

The composite mod is really easy.

Worth giving it a try.
I will :)
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Re: I've been Coleco'd

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How annoying.

It seems the composite mod I was looking at is only for NSTC. First is my PAL modulator, second is an NTSC one:


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The instructions specifically state to connect to the pins of an IC that is present in the NTSC device, but it isn't present in the PAL device. Best I start looking for a PAL solution....
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Aha!!

This should do it:

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Quite simple, will try and figure it our later.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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I'm glad I lifted the modulator up the other day to look into the comp mod, because although the mod wasn't suitable, I did find quite a bit of rust underneath similar to the RF shield.


So, that's had a proper cleanup now and matches the RF shield and modulator top cover too. No more rust here :)

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What I'll probably do is use the modulator output for the composite out, a bit like on the Speccy and put the amplifier board next to it as ther'es lots of room.

I've figured out where all the components are on the mainboard, so hopefully I can get on with that over the weekend, by which time I'm hoping my PSU will have arrived.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Well, this just arrived:

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So just waiting on the PSU and working on the composite mod.

The amplifier board is built and I'm in the process of wiring it in.

Once composite is sorted I'll hook up the sound and should be good to reassemble it
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: I've been Coleco'd

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Ah, those unforgettable controllers...

Was future for me back in the 80's.

:lol:
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HigashiJun wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 1:56 pm Ah, those unforgettable controllers...

Was future for me back in the 80's.

:lol:
Even better, it's in excellent condition and works fully :)

Also, I've completed the composite mod:


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And it works great :)


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Next up I need to sort the audio. It seems I should be able to pick it up anywhere along the way and up to the modulator board, so I'll look at that next. There may still be a RAM issue as I see a bit of corruption, but I'll get the mods finished first and then I'll look at that again. It is just graphical corruption, it still runs, so nearly there.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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And the audio is done now too :)

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This was really very easy to pick off as I just used the audio input on the modulator board and fed that to the socket and took GND from my composite amplifier board.

The only thing I had to do a little different in all of this was that my machine wasn't fitted with R156. There was a spot for it, but it was never fitted, so I just connected GND to R139 and all is good.

Very happy with the results, and there is definitely a RAM issue in that I'm fairly confident that there are more 4116's on the verge of death. The graphics corruption goes away when the RAM is warm, or if I warm it up with my hot air gun, so I'm ready to swap them out when I need to.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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