JezC wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 1:10 pm Careful @rubber_jonnie or @PhilC will be after you for taking over his job ..![]()
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A full Spectrum of emotions
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Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
He's welcome to it Jez, one broken C128 being fixed is enough for me so far.JezC wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 1:10 pm Careful @rubber_jonnie or @PhilC will be after you for taking over his job ..![]()
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If it ain't broke, test it to Destruction.
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Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
It's a pity that transistors don't have a standard pinout, even in the same family from the same manufacturer. *sigh*
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
I know, bloody annoying for sure.stephen_usher wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 1:50 pm It's a pity that transistors don't have a standard pinout, even in the same family from the same manufacturer. *sigh*
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
Ok, so tracking through the Spectrum schematic for the +-12v/-5v section and aside from the expired diode, now replaced, everything connects to where is should and appears to be fine.
I lifted one end of some components (Diodes, electroytics) so I could test properly and all seem to be fine. It is suggesting to me that currently, since I get no +-12v or any -5v that the replacement transistors are not up to snuff, despite the fact that they are supposed to be a direct replacement and the datasheets agree (Bar the reversed pinouts).
So I've ordered some ZTX 653s which are specified on the schematic and we'll see how they go.
Fingers crossed the lack of -+12v and -5v hasn't damaged the RAM, though I have some 4164s (And 4256s) that I could press into use if needs be.
But a dead T4 is the prime candidate when these voltages are missing, so yeah...
I lifted one end of some components (Diodes, electroytics) so I could test properly and all seem to be fine. It is suggesting to me that currently, since I get no +-12v or any -5v that the replacement transistors are not up to snuff, despite the fact that they are supposed to be a direct replacement and the datasheets agree (Bar the reversed pinouts).
So I've ordered some ZTX 653s which are specified on the schematic and we'll see how they go.
Fingers crossed the lack of -+12v and -5v hasn't damaged the RAM, though I have some 4164s (And 4256s) that I could press into use if needs be.
But a dead T4 is the prime candidate when these voltages are missing, so yeah...
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
I'd replace the 4116s anyway if I had enough 4164s as then the 12V only feeds the one chip and the system runs cooler. It also no-longer needs the -5V.
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
I'm definitely considering it and was just looking at the board and thinking 'Have I got enough sockets to fit to itstephen_usher wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:04 pm I'd replace the 4116s anyway if I had enough 4164s as then the 12V only feeds the one chip and the system runs cooler. It also no-longer needs the -5V.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
That's a very good shout to get rid of the 4116s, I'm surprised they are still working anyway as I always end up having to replace them.
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Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
They were working, but as soldered in I have no way of testing. As it goes, I have 8 4164's and more than enough sockets, so I think the 4116's are out, as they were in my TRS-80.PhilC wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:20 pm That's a very good shout to get rid of the 4116s, I'm surprised they are still working anyway as I always end up having to replace them.
I'll pull them and test, see what they are doing.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: A full Spectrum of emotions
All the DRAM is removed and there was a 50% fail rate when I put it through the tester. Guess I know what's coming next...PhilC wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:20 pm That's a very good shout to get rid of the 4116s, I'm surprised they are still working anyway as I always end up having to replace them.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
