I'm looking for options.HigashiJun wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:28 pm Is there a denser resin that would make a mouse ball having a weight close to a real mouse ball ?
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Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.
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Re: Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.
I have some coming, we'll see how they do. The original ball was 100% some sort of resin or other dense plastic. If I can get the right density it could be fine.stephen_usher wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:56 pmP.S. Have you tried cheap boucey balls and sanded off the moulding ridge? They are reasonably dense, very grippy and dead cheap.stephen_usher wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:34 pm Resins are just plastics, they're not heavy. You have to have them contain something very dense inside. Some sort of self-curing latex may work, but I have no idea what, if anything, is available.
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Re: Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.
Well, the original of that type of mouse ball never worked very well anyway. A bouncy ball would be far more grippy and probably better. 
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Re: Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.
I'll get back to you when it finally arrives from China...stephen_usher wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 2:30 pm Well, the original of that type of mouse ball never worked very well anyway. A bouncy ball would be far more grippy and probably better.![]()
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You can get 20 delivered by Amazon next day for less than £20. (20mm bouncy balls.)
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GRRR. I followed a link earlier in thread and forgot to look on Amazon...stephen_usher wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 2:47 pm You can get 20 delivered by Amazon next day for less than £20. (20mm bouncy balls.)
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Re: Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.
So, by way of experimentation, I made a ball from Milliput, an epoxy putty, to see what the weight difference was between that, Delrin, epoxy resin and the steel ball.
It's not round enough to use, but size-wise it does give an idea of weight, and it is twice that of the Delrin ball, so it may be suitable if I can mould it well enough.
However the steel ball is really the thing that has the weight of a real mouse ball, so I am still thinking whatever I end up making should really have a ball bearing inside it for weight.
Hopefully the mould I ordered will be here soon so I can do some more experimentation. I've also ordered a 15mm ball bearing for my experiments of putting balls inside other balls!
It's not round enough to use, but size-wise it does give an idea of weight, and it is twice that of the Delrin ball, so it may be suitable if I can mould it well enough.
However the steel ball is really the thing that has the weight of a real mouse ball, so I am still thinking whatever I end up making should really have a ball bearing inside it for weight.
Hopefully the mould I ordered will be here soon so I can do some more experimentation. I've also ordered a 15mm ball bearing for my experiments of putting balls inside other balls!
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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You do talk an awful lot of balls, you know?rubber_jonnie wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:59 pm Hopefully the mould I ordered will be here soon so I can do some more experimentation. I've also ordered a 15mm ball bearing for my experiments of putting balls inside other balls!
Good luck with the suspending-ball-bearings, though. How are you thinking to do that?
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Re: Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.
Badwolf wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:00 amYou do talk an awful lot of balls, you know?rubber_jonnie wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:59 pm Hopefully the mould I ordered will be here soon so I can do some more experimentation. I've also ordered a 15mm ball bearing for my experiments of putting balls inside other balls!![]()
Good luck with the suspending-ball-bearings, though. How are you thinking to do that?
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That is going to be the hard part...
First off I will try it once my plastic mould arrives, but I'm thinking I need to make some small standoffs, one at the bottom and 4 around the circumference that hold the ball in position and allow me to pour in something like the RTV silicone I used to make the original mould.
I have some ideas but will need to get my hands on the 15mm ball bearing first.
In addition to that, I'm I think I'm going to need to make a new hard mould for best results (I can use epoxy resin for that), as the soft one isn't going to cut it for this, and though the hard mould I have coming should be fine for some testing, I doubt the quality will be good enough for the final item.
Should be fun!
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
Re: Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.
I bet there is more than 2mm of rubber coating on a 22mm mouse ball. If you could find some sort of automated mechanical sander that could take off 2mm of rubber that might be the best solution?
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