Wiki dead links

[exxos]

I have to confess I really don't understand mediawiki. Everything seems totally unobvious and extremely difficult to do.

I mean with this page..

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You click the edit button and this is all you get...

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So how the heck are you supposed to edit the page ?? I've been trying for about two hours to figure this out. I'm thinking it would just be monumentally quicker just to find and edit the data in the SQL database and just edit it directly instead .

[exxos]

So this makes no sense to me either..

https://temlib.org/AtariForumWiki/index ... n_hardware
https://temlib.org/AtariForumWiki/index ... ware_hacks

Add-on hardware versus hardware hacks. I would have classed add-on hardware as things like hard drives etc but that also has RAM expansions which are surely hardware hacks ?! Some things are basically repeated and/or split between both sections..

But as posted above, add-on stuff like hard drive should surely be under peripherals which is another section..
https://temlib.org/AtariForumWiki/index ... eripherals

Other than maybe the hard drives in the add-on hardware section I think the entire page is basically hardware hacks..

Should we not just merge these two pages and have done with it or am I missing something ?!

[troed]

sigh

I ran a full link check - but it didn't save the output to file. Anyway, I'll now do smaller more targeted runs since I saw from the console output what it spent the most time on.

Code: Select all

Finished! 1211739 links found. 1184255 excluded. 5741 broken.
Elapsed time: 1 hour, 51 minutes

5741 sounds way more alarming than it is - that seemed to be mostly internal links to talk/edit-pages.

[exxos]

This is what I got yesterday...

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There there should not be any broken internal links because I did run the script which verified everything.. At least from the SQL database point of view.

There's a whole bucket of redirects/moved links in particular on Atari legend and some others. I guess really they should be fixed but should probably be done with a script because there are so many.. I will see if I can come up with a solution to those.

EDIT:

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[exxos]

This is so cool


BEFORE:

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AFTER:

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EDIT:

wow this is a mess. someone used a template for EACH game rather than just using a link

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That might be more effort than it's worth to fix considering I have all this on my website anyway.

There are links like this one https://www.atarilegend.com/games/termi ... dgment-day but I don't even see a download button not really sure what the point is in linking there ?

EDIT2:
OK I eventually found the download icons, geese that was hard work and to dark. Can't even find DEBUG menus on there ?!
Will have to come up with some sort of rework for that page and actually link to DEBUG files, but also link to AL as a alternative download location for the menus.. It is a bit chaotic how all this is linked up currently. As the whole page is supposed to be DEBUG, but it does not link to any menus just the actual game in other menus actual debug download links are broken so I should think they should have been the proper download links to fix. But even so the AL links are different now and no need for them to be in 200 separate pages.

EDIT3:

So looking around AL the ID's were there by design it seems and supposed to be redirects, I just thought they was really old outdated links and they was redirected because of that but in any case, I am looking into ways to tidy up the whole game section because it is so outdated / broken something needs to be done to fix it all properly. So Im talking to MugUk about possible options for this. Ultimately might just be easier to nuke the whole games menu section and just link game menu names directly to AL and have done with it. But I want to see if there are any better alternatives before that.

Also going to have to take a break from this work because my hands are starting to hurt again after all the work these past few weeks I've been doing updates to the wiki all day everyday tweaking pages and fixing links and I just can't do any more currently now.

[exxos]

So the compact disc menus are turning into a lot of drama. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Though because the original layout is all scripted in MW gibber-code, its not simple to change anything. So basically I'm going to redo all the pages an update/fix all the downloading links as well. Or make it simpler to maintain.

MugUK asked AL guys if there was any sort of API to download up-to-date information though there has been no reply yet. But I've been working on scripts to verify what is on the wiki against the AL database anyway and rebuild the wiki pages in a "similar" style to what they are now. Some pages don't even have any download links .So it looks like they have never been fixed since they went online around 2006

Hopefully when they are done it will fix a lot of the broken links. I do want to get the wiki live as soon as possible. So whatever state it's in early January it will just have to do because I'm so far behind with basically everything that I haven't got time to get everything perfect before it goes live. It really will be down to the community if they fix it all or not.

[alexh]

Thanks for all the hard work. I was available last week but I'm now busy until after xmas but I will help then.

[exxos]

Thanks for all the hard work.

I was available last week but I'm now busy until after xmas but I will help then.

Cool. Yeah it all went to crap last week. No great surprise.

[exxos]

So the next problem is my scripts output html and the wiki isn't as simple. Though after some css voodoo I have managed to get some css running so far...

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EDIT:

So the information is pretty much the same. I've done away with "empty boxes". Now before anyone moans about the size of the floppy, the contents of the disc can vary between 1-5 lines. So no matter what size it is it will always be "wrong". I put the floppy there to fill the space as opposed to just having several blank row boxes. The floppy displays the disc number and the revision number, and now it is clickable to download the actual MSA file.

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I've had to enable html stuff on the wiki as the generic wiki table controls basically suck. Which is why everything ended up as a huge load of boxes to start with.

[exxos]

I'm starting to wonder if this all this is worth the effort ? I think it is good to have more of a "all in one - at a glance" download page or a games list. But basically it is repeating the same information on AL anyway.

It's also long-term thinking that nobody is going to maintain the pages because it seems to have got abandoned when it was all created around 2006 anyway.

I'm thinking it will be monumentally easier just to nuke the entire Compacted disk listings page and just have one link to AL. It will be links on the same page because I host some downloads as well and there is also the download locations which can be listed.

So what do people think ?