I reckon you're right there :)mrbombermillzy wrote: 11 Sep 2023 18:12Indeed. :)
It probably needs at least three of us to diagnose a machine with 2 different CPUs and 2 different video chips! :lol:
Fixing my C128D
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Re: Fixing my C128D
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Re: Fixing my C128D
I got a couple more parts ordered, even if they aren't needed and will be kept for spares, I ordered an 8502 and an MMU. I already have Ram, CIAs, clock chips, SID chips and some Eproms to flash the 27128 Roms onto if needed.
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Any luck trying to boot CP/M at all?PhilC wrote: 12 Sep 2023 09:17 I got a couple more parts ordered, even if they aren't needed and will be kept for spares, I ordered an 8502 and an MMU. I already have Ram, CIAs, clock chips, SID chips and some Eproms to flash the 27128 Roms onto if needed.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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@rubber_jonnie nope unfortunately not
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Damn...
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Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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My replacement VIC II chips arrived today. I've managed to get as far as plugging one in and it still doesn't boot but I've not managed to get the scope out yet and see if the signals on the address lines have improved.
One thing I can see is that when you press the reset, the screen changes slightly for a second or so and then returns to the pre-reset image. It didn't do that before.
One thing I can see is that when you press the reset, the screen changes slightly for a second or so and then returns to the pre-reset image. It didn't do that before.
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Double Damn...PhilC wrote: 12 Sep 2023 13:32 My replacement VIC II chips arrived today. I've managed to get as far as plugging one in and it still doesn't boot but I've not managed to get the scope out yet and see if the signals on the address lines have improved.
One thing I can see is that when you press the reset, the screen changes slightly for a second or so and then returns to the pre-reset image. It didn't do that before.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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I've got the Scope out and we are actually a step in the right direction. With one of the new VICs fitted I get activity albeit brief on all address lines but A10 which refuses to pull-up on reset, so looks like at least A10 and what's connected to it is part of the problem.rubber_jonnie wrote: 12 Sep 2023 13:43Double Damn...PhilC wrote: 12 Sep 2023 13:32 My replacement VIC II chips arrived today. I've managed to get as far as plugging one in and it still doesn't boot but I've not managed to get the scope out yet and see if the signals on the address lines have improved.
One thing I can see is that when you press the reset, the screen changes slightly for a second or so and then returns to the pre-reset image. It didn't do that before.
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Re: Fixing my C128D
So doing a bit of fault finding it looks like one of the buffers is potentially not working, so I'm going to remove that and put it in the chip tester.
Of course it could be something else on the output side of the buffer causing the issue but everything else on that buffer chips seems to work.
Wish me luck!!!
p.s. its pin 7 for those that are interested. we have a pulsing waveform on pin 13 but other on 7.
Of course it could be something else on the output side of the buffer causing the issue but everything else on that buffer chips seems to work.
Wish me luck!!!
p.s. its pin 7 for those that are interested. we have a pulsing waveform on pin 13 but other on 7.
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Re: Fixing my C128D
74LS244's are prone to dying. It's not a MOS part is it? MOS TTL chips are the worst possible for reliability. I'd preemptively replace any on the board with new TI versions.
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