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Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.

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Re: Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.

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So I de-moulded this morning to a bit of a surprise:

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You can see 2 items, the 'plug' formed in the point where I poured the resin in, and a lens like item that is about 1/6th of a mouse ball!! The bit that did form is really nice quality, so it's a lesson learned and actually quite encouraging.

Ok, so the thing to learn from this is that the mould obviously formed an air pocket in the sprue channel as I was pouring. What is weird is that it seemed like a lot more than just this small amount went in.

So, will I try again? Of course :) I just need to refine my technique for getting the resin into the mould without forming an air pocket, and I'm thinking rather than pouring, I should inject it in using a syringe.

I could also easily create a vent near the top, so the air pocket can never form. This will mean that there will be another sprue, but since I have to deal with one already, then it isn't an issue.

Onwards and upwards.
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Failure teaches success...
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HigashiJun wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:00 am Failure teaches success...
Indeed it does. Nice quality of moulding though.
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rubber_jonnie wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:02 am
HigashiJun wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:00 am Failure teaches success...
Indeed it does. Nice quality of moulding though.
Yes, as I can see on your picture.

Do you think the resin would resist to frictions without wearing in few months ?
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HigashiJun wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:09 am
rubber_jonnie wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:02 am

Indeed it does. Nice quality of moulding though.
Yes, as I can see on your picture.

Do you think the resin would resist to frictions without wearing in few months ?
From the resin I had left, it has gone really pretty hard, and since it isn't going to be used daily, I expect it to last reasonably well. The original was made of epoxy anyway from what I can see, so It can't be much worse.

I may also try using a thicker resin, more like the opaque Araldite types, to see if it gives a different result as it may be harder wearing.
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rubber_jonnie wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:29 am I may also try using a thicker resin, more like the opaque Araldite types, to see if it gives a different result as it may be harder wearing.
Yes, it's worth trying.
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rubber_jonnie wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:39 am You can see 2 items, the 'plug' formed in the point where I poured the resin in, and a lens like item that is about 1/6th of a mouse ball!!
No problem -- just only move the mouse a couple of mm in each direction and whack up the acceleration, yeah..?

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Badwolf wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:37 am
rubber_jonnie wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:39 am You can see 2 items, the 'plug' formed in the point where I poured the resin in, and a lens like item that is about 1/6th of a mouse ball!!
No problem -- just only move the mouse a couple of mm in each direction and whack up the acceleration, yeah..?

:mrgreen:

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I could use the 'ball' as a lens now, so have accidentally discovered lens making in the process, surely the lens would magnify the sensor signals and provide adequate acceleration?

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So, I just found this on eBay:

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So have ordered one to see if it is a feasible option too.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Out of curiosity... how do you intend to remove the cast marks after it has been made?

I am not sure it is achievable without some sort of mechanical ball sanding machine?

Molds like these tend to leave either a line around the circumference or a burr at the point the liquid is poured in.
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