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ah crap :pullhair: So I will try 33pF on the clock next. Had no end of issues with that on STE boosters in the past.

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exxos wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:54 am
stephen_usher wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 6:12 am If you look at the second set of traces from your ‘scope. The second one goes low far earlier than the first.

Is that the bus request line?
It's BR but I wouldn't read into timings to much as I was having to zoom in and out signals to capture them for best image.
It's still double the length. The timebase is the same on both images.
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stephen_usher wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:19 pm It's still double the length. The timebase is the same on both images.
It varies if you look at it in real time. I've not checked specifically , but either 2 or 3 different timings on that.
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The first pass with 33pF worked. I have also soldered some "crowbar diodes" to the clock. This is before and after.

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Will keep on testing.

EDIT:

2nd pass is fine. Onto the 3rd..

EDIT2:

3rd pass is fine.. Onto the 4th..
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So 4th pass started to see corrupt file names again :roll: But this time the names are different and its not actually crashed. So something has changed.

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I think I will add those 2 caps back on again and see if its a combination of problems not one single problem on something. Though I think its pretty conclusive the STE doesn't like IMP Blitter chips.

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The filenames have gone OK again now. So something is borderline still somewhere.
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2 caps back on.. Very boring (and time-consuming) having to watch the file deletes all the time .

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exxos wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:08 pm Grabbed the latest EMUTOS and didn't get very far :( @czietz ?
I see that you've moved on before I even noticed myself being mentioned. Sorry! But I still wanted to comment on your question. The message that you got is only supposed to happen when the total folder depth for a Desktop operation (like copying files) hits 14(!) folders; which is the same limit as Atari TOS, btw.

I just confirmed that for me it works as expected:



In practice, however, considering how rare 13-level deep folder structures are, I have only hit this error when there was corruption in the file system; e.g., a folder pointing to itself, causing an apparent infinite folder depth.
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czietz wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 6:11 pm I see that you've moved on before I even noticed myself being mentioned. Sorry! But I still wanted to comment on your question. The message that you got is only supposed to happen when the total folder depth for a Desktop operation (like copying files) hits 14(!) folders; which is the same limit as Atari TOS, btw.
That's odd then. I count 12 deep (unless i've miss counted. ) in my tree download/file.php?id=32099

But either way, it works fine in TOS all the way through the deletion, so I don't see how EMUTOS is the same when it fails ?
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exxos wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 7:48 pm But either way, it works fine in TOS all the way through the deletion, so I don't see how EMUTOS is the same when it fails ?
Here is Atari TOS 2.06 failing in the exact same way: 13 levels deep works, 14 levels deep cannot be copied.



Hence, I'm interested in what you do differently...
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czietz wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:48 pm Hence, I'm interested in what you do differently...
Maybe because I have thousands of files and folders also ?

I can probably PM you my files, it's about 62MB zipped if you want to dump that on a SD card and try. All I can say is it works in TOS, but EMUTOS doesn't.
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