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BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
Does the Model B have composite video output?
I use one of these with my c64's -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363087107499 ... Sw2SVfRivQ
It works pretty well.
Or you can push the boat out slightly and use an RGB to scart lead (about 12 quid) with one of these -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223978641085 ... Sw8zJe1jN7
Or just go the whole hog and get an rpi RGB to HDMI.
I use all 3 of the above for my collection of retro machines.
I use one of these with my c64's -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363087107499 ... Sw2SVfRivQ
It works pretty well.
Or you can push the boat out slightly and use an RGB to scart lead (about 12 quid) with one of these -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223978641085 ... Sw8zJe1jN7
Or just go the whole hog and get an rpi RGB to HDMI.
I use all 3 of the above for my collection of retro machines.
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Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
Yes, the Beeb has a BNC connector at the rear with mono (by default) video out.
@rubber_jonnie Excellent news! Rifa delayed smoke generators are "fun". I never replace like for like, I use the newer plastic X2 capacitors now.
@rubber_jonnie Excellent news! Rifa delayed smoke generators are "fun". I never replace like for like, I use the newer plastic X2 capacitors now.
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ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
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Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
As @stephen_usher mentioned, there is a composite out and I'm actually getting a 15.625Khz signal on the Fisher-Price oscilloscope. It was good for something then!!BennehBoy wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 7:55 am Does the Model B have composite video output?
I use one of these with my c64's -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363087107499 ... Sw2SVfRivQ
It works pretty well.
Or you can push the boat out slightly and use an RGB to scart lead (about 12 quid) with one of these -> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223978641085 ... Sw8zJe1jN7
Or just go the whole hog and get an rpi RGB to HDMI.
I use all 3 of the above for my collection of retro machines.
My problem right now is that because we're in temporary accommodation right now, we have 1 TV which will do composite, so it's just a bit of a faff getting time on the TV. Once we're moved in I'll have all my usual display options so it won't be a problem then. I may get a scart lead though.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
I had bought a kit anyway, which included new Rifas, so they were to hand. I'm sure they'll last a decent time, maybe even another 40 yearsstephen_usher wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 8:09 am Yes, the Beeb has a BNC connector at the rear with mono (by default) video out.
@rubber_jonnie Excellent news! Rifa delayed smoke generators are "fun". I never replace like for like, I use the newer plastic X2 capacitors now.
I just hooked up the new kbd PCB to No2 as it is populated with IC's, just no keys, and I get a BooBip, which is promising.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
There's more....
I just checked, and the CPU in there was the replacement I'd dropped in early on in the process, so I switched it with the original CPU, and no BooBip, so it looks like the CPU was dead as well.
Thank god for sockets.
I don't doubt there is going to be more to this tale, as the machine was in quite a beat up state, but I'll get it hooked up to a TV over the weekend as I have a BNC/Composite cable connected to my TV ready and waiting. Might try at lunchtime
I'll fully test Beeb No3 whilst I'm at it.
I just checked, and the CPU in there was the replacement I'd dropped in early on in the process, so I switched it with the original CPU, and no BooBip, so it looks like the CPU was dead as well.
Thank god for sockets.
I don't doubt there is going to be more to this tale, as the machine was in quite a beat up state, but I'll get it hooked up to a TV over the weekend as I have a BNC/Composite cable connected to my TV ready and waiting. Might try at lunchtime
I'll fully test Beeb No3 whilst I'm at it.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
I keep forgetting about the move, doh!rubber_jonnie wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 9:13 am My problem right now is that because we're in temporary accommodation right now, we have 1 TV which will do composite, so it's just a bit of a faff getting time on the TV. Once we're moved in I'll have all my usual display options so it won't be a problem then. I may get a scart lead though.
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Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
Lol, no worries.BennehBoy wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 10:08 amI keep forgetting about the move, doh!rubber_jonnie wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 9:13 am My problem right now is that because we're in temporary accommodation right now, we have 1 TV which will do composite, so it's just a bit of a faff getting time on the TV. Once we're moved in I'll have all my usual display options so it won't be a problem then. I may get a scart lead though.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
Managed to fit in a quick video test whilst the wife is out.
Beeb No3 has a super crisp output, but No2 isn't showing anything on screen. So, as per my original assertion, there may be other issues to fix.
However, I do know that I can blind type and get results with the cassette motor and its LED, And I do get some 15Khz signals on the BNC connector, however sometimes I notice that I don't get them right away.
The positives are that I now know the composite input on the TV is good, and that No3 works just fine.
Might have to see if I can get it to work with a UHF cable.
Beeb No3 has a super crisp output, but No2 isn't showing anything on screen. So, as per my original assertion, there may be other issues to fix.
However, I do know that I can blind type and get results with the cassette motor and its LED, And I do get some 15Khz signals on the BNC connector, however sometimes I notice that I don't get them right away.
The positives are that I now know the composite input on the TV is good, and that No3 works just fine.
Might have to see if I can get it to work with a UHF cable.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: BBC Model B No2. Will it live again!
What happens if you change to a non-teletext mode, e.g. Mode 1?
If the Teletext chip has blown then you would get no display in Mode 7 (default) but would in the other modes.
If the Teletext chip has blown then you would get no display in Mode 7 (default) but would in the other modes.
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.