So, today I had some time, so I cleaned a little the main board, plugged the scart cable and plugged my usb adapter that I usually use on my STe (see there : viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5939)
I switched on, and got the pleasure to get the boot screen
I reconnected the keyboard and did a test again, no problem there too :
So it seems I got a working TO8 :)
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Along the conversion to Kicad of the Atari 260/520 ST, I also started working on doing the same for the Thomson MO5...
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I could finally set up my scope and one of those computer yesterday evening, so that first thing this morning was trying to troubleshoot it.sporniket wrote: 10 Jun 2023 09:54 This week I got myself 3 more mo5s. In fact I was looking for one version with the EFCIS gate array and other differences with the "v1" I got before, so that I can also remake this version under Kicad. I took a chance on the net for a set of 2 (either v1 or v2, there was no picture of the inside) and then someone on the French forum proposed me his computer. It turns out the 3 are v2 variants, and the 3 have problem to run (not a problem for my project)
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so next time I will install the oscilloscope to watch what happens.
It was really just looking how each line was pulsing, and I pushed the reset button a lot of times to check that there was some pulse before getting stuck high or low.
I checked the CPU (the clock signals allowing me to setup the display), one of the logic IC that perform the decoding, the ROM and the DRAM.
At one point I noticed that the CS for the eprom was stuck to low, and that the data bus was then stuck to the value $F0.
But at another point, I could get one of those random start where the CPU was looping, and that's when I noticed that A0 was stuck to low.
With the computer switched off, I probed continuity between A0 and GND, and I got a buzz. Resistance measured was 1.4.
I removed each socketed chips (there are 3) turn by turn, but the short was still there. But near the north-west of the board, the resistance was 1.2, meaning that it was more around this part.
Then I went to the cartridge port, near the ROM, and I noticed that GND and A0 were next to each other, I checked inside to see if there was anything stuck (there was nothing), then I looked at the other side of the board, where I noticed a "stain" between GND and A0 I got my digital microscope... With a blade, I gently scrubed the thing that was laying there, blowed it and cleaned with isopropyl alcohol Reinstalled the motherboard, switched on and ... Yeah !
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My TO8 computer was not used much as I did not address yet the supplying of power.
In the wait of doing something more refined, I decided to assemble some cables, a barrel jack 55/21 receptacle, an extension cord with switch, a DC 5V->12V converter, as well as a blue led.
This allows me to use my 5V power brick
The blue led is positionned so that I won't go blind when the computer is switched on.
In the wait of doing something more refined, I decided to assemble some cables, a barrel jack 55/21 receptacle, an extension cord with switch, a DC 5V->12V converter, as well as a blue led.
This allows me to use my 5V power brick
The blue led is positionned so that I won't go blind when the computer is switched on.
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Looks like something scraped over that via and pushed some solder over to the other trace and also tore the solder mask.
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I was thinking much the same thing.stephen_usher wrote: 19 Feb 2024 22:17 Looks like something scraped over that via and pushed some solder over to the other trace and also tore the solder mask.
@sporniket might be worth putting a splash of solder mask over it just to be sure.
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Thanks for the advice. I Will have to get soldermask then.
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Nail polish is good enough.
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Now that I finished remaking the motherboard of the MO5 with Motorola gate-array, I had some time to start looking at one of the not working unit I have.
On inspection, I see that the PLCC socket of the gatearray is broken
So today I removed the socket. Next time I will put a new one, and see how it goes
Another thing I did was experimenting with the video output on my remade motherboard. It is a known problem that on the MO5, the stock circuit outputs a too high signal for R, G, and B, and thus on LCD screens that does not compensate, pastel colors are just white, and the orange is yellow.
After experimenting a little, I replaced the resistors that make a voltage divisor with the transistor (originally 1k) to a very weak value (22 Ohm). Now I can see some colors.
I may look for other ways to tweak the color rendering later, but for now it's good enough.
On inspection, I see that the PLCC socket of the gatearray is broken
So today I removed the socket. Next time I will put a new one, and see how it goes
Another thing I did was experimenting with the video output on my remade motherboard. It is a known problem that on the MO5, the stock circuit outputs a too high signal for R, G, and B, and thus on LCD screens that does not compensate, pastel colors are just white, and the orange is yellow.
After experimenting a little, I replaced the resistors that make a voltage divisor with the transistor (originally 1k) to a very weak value (22 Ohm). Now I can see some colors.
I may look for other ways to tweak the color rendering later, but for now it's good enough.
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This reminds me of the colour problems we had with the 'Hi colour' Twin shifter board. :)
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