Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
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stephen_usher
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
What did I say? ;-)
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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Tomswork
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
It still could be the ttl in the video circuit the 74c parts can be replaced with 74hc parts
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rubber_jonnie
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
To be fair, I did agree :)
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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rubber_jonnie
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Will see what happens once the LS157 is replaced, but you're right, there could be more wrong.Tomswork wrote: 27 Sep 2022 16:43 It still could be the ttl in the video circuit the 74c parts can be replaced with 74hc parts
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Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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rubber_jonnie
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Ok, so, the collective badness award goes to:
Z62 2102 RAM
Z64 74LS157
Both are bad, and I now at least have a normal non duplicated display again.
There is a new problem however, and thats the keyboard.
The 1, Q and A keys don't work, and the number keys all bring up multiple letters. The MEM SIZE? prompt doesn't appear either, but if I hit return I go into basic and ?MEM gives me 15570,. which is correct.
I had a similar issue with a dry joint on the keyboard connections before, so will have a look at that, as if I disconnect the keyboard I get a MEM SIZE? event on screen.
I'll also have a delve into the schematics, as it's not unreasonable to consider another LS chip has gone pop, as it seems to be a 'thing' with this machine.
Z62 2102 RAM
Z64 74LS157
Both are bad, and I now at least have a normal non duplicated display again.
There is a new problem however, and thats the keyboard.
The 1, Q and A keys don't work, and the number keys all bring up multiple letters. The MEM SIZE? prompt doesn't appear either, but if I hit return I go into basic and ?MEM gives me 15570,. which is correct.
I had a similar issue with a dry joint on the keyboard connections before, so will have a look at that, as if I disconnect the keyboard I get a MEM SIZE? event on screen.
I'll also have a delve into the schematics, as it's not unreasonable to consider another LS chip has gone pop, as it seems to be a 'thing' with this machine.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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PhilC
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Well at least you are one step forward @rubber_jonnie
If it ain't broke, test it to Destruction.
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rubber_jonnie
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Indeed. I can't help but wonder if the machine had the power connected to the wrong socket, or if the 5V circuit failed and gave an over voltage, which is feasible since the crowbar zener was blown when I got it.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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rubber_jonnie
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Looks like all the bad keys are on the same column, which suggests that Z3, a 74LS368 may have a fault. I don't think it's totally dead as other keys that it supports are working, so I'll have a probe around and see what the inputs are doing at the IC.
I'd better buzz out my replacement keyboard cable too.
I'd better buzz out my replacement keyboard cable too.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Tomswork
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
This is an adventure in logic hunting this board
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rubber_jonnie
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Yep, that's about the top and bottom of it. The worst board I've had so far for 74LS fails. Once again, they are logic chips I don't have so have had to order :(
At least the cable buzzes out fine from the mainboard to the keyboard.
I guess a bunch of the ICs weren't keen on being revived after such a long period asleep.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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