Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Surely it would be a good idea to look up the specs for the power transistor to see what its operating temperature is. A lot of those type packages have a surprisingly high thermal upper limit.
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Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Was that transistor rusted or just over fried ?
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
With all the family stuff of late, I just hadn't looked it up, but it should be good up to 200C according to the datasheet. Currently running at about 74C.stephen_usher wrote: 22 Sep 2022 14:03 Surely it would be a good idea to look up the specs for the power transistor to see what its operating temperature is. A lot of those type packages have a surprisingly high thermal upper limit.
The heatsink was not making good contact with the transistor, so all tightened down before resoldering. Pretty stable now and well within tolerance.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Just a bit grubby, I expect it was just grime burned on.Tomswork wrote: 22 Sep 2022 15:13 Was that transistor rusted or just over fried ?
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
So, basically, the transistor only fails when the solder melts. :-)rubber_jonnie wrote: 22 Sep 2022 15:45 With all the family stuff of late, I just hadn't looked it up, but it should be good up to 200C according to the datasheet. Currently running at about 74C.
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
That's about the top and bottom of it, yep. The PCB might possibly catch fire too :fire: :fire: :fire: but that theory is currently untested.stephen_usher wrote: 22 Sep 2022 15:53So, basically, the transistor only fails when the solder melts. :-)rubber_jonnie wrote: 22 Sep 2022 15:45 With all the family stuff of late, I just hadn't looked it up, but it should be good up to 200C according to the datasheet. Currently running at about 74C.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Tandy picked a 12 dollar part and put toothpick amount of heatsink compound on it
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
They certainly did. Interestingly, Q6 was also getting super hot to begin with, but I replaced it with a higher specced part and used paste on reassembly and it now runs totally cool.Tomswork wrote: 22 Sep 2022 16:42 Tandy picked a 12 dollar part and put toothpick amount of heatsink compound on it
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Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Oh good, I kind of broke the TRS80...
I decided to do the first part of the 64k upgrade, which basically removes the 5v and 12v lines from the RAM sockets and moves the 5v to pin 8 rather than pin 9.
I stopped short as I just wanted to get to the point where I was able to replicate the 'hand added' bus bars but on the PCB, and the upgrade to 64KB does go down that route, my only exception being that I kept pin 9 at 5v to replicate the hand wired 41256 ICs so they would work as 16KB.
They were working fine before, so as long as I could keep pin 1 low, and have pin 8 and 9 at 5v it would replicate my hand wired setup.
Only once I dropped all my 41256's in, I got this:
Ok, let's revert back to the very original setup and my old handwired RAM. Same thing, so thinking maybe I now have bad video RAM. Oh well, it keeps me off the streets!!!
It is at least booting and the RAM size shows as correct, plus simple programs run too.
More to follow...
I decided to do the first part of the 64k upgrade, which basically removes the 5v and 12v lines from the RAM sockets and moves the 5v to pin 8 rather than pin 9.
I stopped short as I just wanted to get to the point where I was able to replicate the 'hand added' bus bars but on the PCB, and the upgrade to 64KB does go down that route, my only exception being that I kept pin 9 at 5v to replicate the hand wired 41256 ICs so they would work as 16KB.
They were working fine before, so as long as I could keep pin 1 low, and have pin 8 and 9 at 5v it would replicate my hand wired setup.
Only once I dropped all my 41256's in, I got this:
Ok, let's revert back to the very original setup and my old handwired RAM. Same thing, so thinking maybe I now have bad video RAM. Oh well, it keeps me off the streets!!!
It is at least booting and the RAM size shows as correct, plus simple programs run too.
More to follow...
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Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: Woo hoo - Collection Completed!! TRS-80 inbound
Looks like an address error. Check for solder blobs or the ribbon cable
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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