STE video synchronisation problem

[exxos]

Lift one end of R470 and see if GCLK comes back up ? Also check CCLK both sides of C427.. and R489.

[Number_Nine]

Lift one end of R470 and see if GCLK comes back up ? Also check CCLK both sides of C427.. and R489.

I've tried removing R470, and after removing - input of R489 (it's R469, I believe though) 4.6V, after R469 - 2.6V, on input of C427 it's 2.6V and on the side connected to pin 17 of 1377 it's same 5V.

[exxos]

I've tried removing R470, and after removing - input of R489 (it's R469, I believe though) 4.6V, after R469 - 2.6V, on input of C427 it's 2.6V and on the side connected to pin 17 of 1377 it's same 5V.

So just a flat DC voltage there, no signal ?

So to recap, input to R469 has the clock, but the output does not ?

Also with the IC end of R469 lifted, do you still see CCLK on both sides of the resistor ?

[exxos]

This is what I get "left side input" of R469..

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3V p-p. Bias 0v.

Output side of R469 (IC side).

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about 0.2V p-p (200mV) with 0.4V (400mv ). DC offset.

[Number_Nine]

I've tried removing R470, and after removing - input of R489 (it's R469, I believe though) 4.6V, after R469 - 2.6V, on input of C427 it's 2.6V and on the side connected to pin 17 of 1377 it's same 5V.

So just a flat DC voltage there, no signal ?

So to recap, input to R469 has the clock, but the output does not ?

Also with the IC end of R469 lifted, do you still see CCLK on both sides of the resistor ?

Yep, no signal, I was blaming that from the beginning, but then I've checked on a good Atari and that was the same flat signal.
Both input and output of R469 have clock, output has it much weaker (~300mV), though, regardless of the IC side soldered or desoldered.
On schematics R469 is 5.0K, but on the board it's almost 6K, but I don't think that matters as I've tried shorting it out and got no difference.

And what's more interesting - it's all absolutely the same on my second Atari.

[exxos]

Yep, no signal, I was blaming that from the beginning, but then I've checked on a good Atari and that was the same flat signal.
Both input and output of R469 have clock, output has it much weaker (~300mV), though, regardless of the IC side soldered or desoldered.
On schematics R469 is 5.0K, but on the board it's almost 6K, but I don't think that matters as I've tried shorting it out and got no difference.

And what's more interesting - it's all absolutely the same on my second Atari.

I think you need to switch to 100mV on your scope and re-check, as you probably won't see the signal else. See my previous images, if I use 5V/div It would appear flat also on my scope.

[Number_Nine]

This is what I get "left side input" of R469..

c1.png

3V p-p. Bias 0v.

Output side of R469 (IC side).

c2.png

about 0.2V p-p (200mV) with 0.4V (400mv ). DC offset.

Input R469:

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Output R469:

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Input C427:

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Output C427:

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[exxos]

Output C427:

You need to be in x10 mode with your probe, and 100mV/div on scope...

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I don't think you will see it with the modes you are using.

[Number_Nine]

Yep, no signal, I was blaming that from the beginning, but then I've checked on a good Atari and that was the same flat signal.
Both input and output of R469 have clock, output has it much weaker (~300mV), though, regardless of the IC side soldered or desoldered.
On schematics R469 is 5.0K, but on the board it's almost 6K, but I don't think that matters as I've tried shorting it out and got no difference.

And what's more interesting - it's all absolutely the same on my second Atari.

I think you need to switch to 100mV on your scope and re-check, as you probably won't see the signal else. See my previous images, if I use 5V/div It would appear flat also on my scope.

Sorry, I meant flat 5V on 17 pin of 1377 (well, it's also a pulse-ish, but with 5V bias and p-p some very few mV).

[Number_Nine]

Output C427:

You need to be in x10 mode with your probe, and 100mV/div on scope...


c3.png

I don't think you will see it with the modes you are using.

I see it, but it's very unstable and jerky. Is it fairly stable on your machine?

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