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Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 08 Oct 2018 13:20
by Icky
exxos wrote: 08 Oct 2018 11:38 Is there a typo on pin 5, as on the ST sch pin 5 is drive_0..


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Yes a typo in my diagram pin 5 should be drive 0 - I did create it in the early hours - thought I had found all the bugs.

I guess I'm not so good with connectors either :)

Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 08 Oct 2018 13:21
by Icky
exxos wrote: 08 Oct 2018 11:38 Is there a typo on pin 5, as on the ST sch pin 5 is drive_0..
Yes a typo in my diagram pin 5 should be drive 0 - I did create it in the early hours - thought I had found all the bugs.

I guess I'm not so good with connectors either :)


Correcting -

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Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 08 Oct 2018 13:33
by exxos
Icky wrote: 08 Oct 2018 13:21 I guess I'm not so good with connectors either :)
12 pins better than me though ;)

Started a new thread for this board...

https://www.exxosforum.co.uk/forum/viewt ... =19&t=1248

Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 08 Oct 2018 22:03
by exxos
Just looking through the DMA pdf...

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It only seems to say is driven with a open collector, but does not really say is needed for any reason..

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Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 08 Oct 2018 22:23
by Icky
exxos wrote: 08 Oct 2018 22:03 Just looking through the DMA pdf...

It only seems to say is driven with a open collector, but does not really say is needed for any reason..
I was just scoping the RDY line on the DMA and noticed the undershoot like in your BAD DMA MYTH http://www.exxosforum.co.uk/atari/last/DMAfix/.

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Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 08 Oct 2018 22:26
by exxos
Icky wrote: 08 Oct 2018 22:23 I was just scoping the RDY line on the DMA and noticed the undershoot like in your BAD DMA MYTH http://www.exxosforum.co.uk/atari/last/DMAfix/.
It can also be where you have grounded the scope.. assuming you are on a gnd point very close to the DMA..

Also try on x10 probe... Sometimes a probe itself can appear to give you things which are not actually there...

It is also worth probing every pin of the DMA to see if anything looks odd... The address and databus to the DMA will likely look like chaos anyway..

Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 08 Oct 2018 22:31
by Icky
exxos wrote: 08 Oct 2018 22:26
Icky wrote: 08 Oct 2018 22:23 I was just scoping the RDY line on the DMA and noticed the undershoot like in your BAD DMA MYTH http://www.exxosforum.co.uk/atari/last/DMAfix/.
It can also be where you have grounded the scope.. assuming you are on a gnd point very close to the DMA..

Also try on x10 probe... Sometimes a probe itself can appear to give you things which are not actually there...

It is also worth probing every pin of the DMA to see if anything looks odd... The address and databus to the DMA will likely look like chaos anyway..
Probe is on 10x and ground point I am currently using is the DMA socket shield lugs. Will move it closer and look at the other lines.

Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 08 Oct 2018 23:38
by Icky
Icky wrote: 08 Oct 2018 22:31
exxos wrote: 08 Oct 2018 22:26

It can also be where you have grounded the scope.. assuming you are on a gnd point very close to the DMA..

Also try on x10 probe... Sometimes a probe itself can appear to give you things which are not actually there...

It is also worth probing every pin of the DMA to see if anything looks odd... The address and databus to the DMA will likely look like chaos anyway..
Probe is on 10x and ground point I am currently using is the DMA socket shield lugs. Will move it closer and look at the other lines.
So far nothing looks out of place. Have even tried different ACSI cables and drives.

Odd though as I did get the device recognised once but not since - must of been a fluke or all the stars aligned

Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 08 Oct 2018 23:51
by exxos
Icky wrote: 08 Oct 2018 23:38 Odd though as I did get the device recognised once but not since - must of been a fluke or all the stars aligned
Have you tried with and without the RP900 in place ?

Other than that TTL chip there isn't much else to check... for the hell of it, if you have a 001 DMA :lol:

It could be possible noise on the DMA port itself on a dataline ?

Re: Icky - Progress

Posted: 09 Oct 2018 00:06
by Icky
exxos wrote: 08 Oct 2018 23:51 Have you tried with and without the RP900 in place ?
Just did - no difference still doesn't see floppy when hdd is connected
exxos wrote: 08 Oct 2018 23:51 Other than that TTL chip there isn't much else to check... for the hell of it, if you have a 001 DMA :lol:
Nope don't have a -001 DMA just -38's