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Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 05 Jan 2025 20:22
by Cosmic Puppet
Just realised that Atarimania's files are the ones I tried which promted me to buy the original disk because I couldn't get to load it.

Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 05 Jan 2025 20:40
by Cosmic Puppet
2 pages of patents which also include the creator of Notator.

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/clemens-homburg

Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 05 Jan 2025 20:42
by ijor
Cosmic Puppet wrote: 05 Jan 2025 20:19 Nice! I just tried another source from the net and it crashed in EmuTOS and Bombed in TOS 1.04
So it seems currently no way to back it up for original machines without it being cracked.
It is conceivable that an image runs under emulation but it fails in real hardware. Conceivable, but very unlikely. Probably the problem is something else.

Post the SCP you made with your own original disk, and also a SCP image of the floppy you wrote that doesn't work (not the image you downloaded, but an image taken from the floppy disk you wrote).

And please detail the computer you are using (model, TOS version and country, amount of RAM, color or mono, etc).

Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 05 Jan 2025 21:04
by Cosmic Puppet
ijor wrote: 05 Jan 2025 20:42
Cosmic Puppet wrote: 05 Jan 2025 20:19 Nice! I just tried another source from the net and it crashed in EmuTOS and Bombed in TOS 1.04
So it seems currently no way to back it up for original machines without it being cracked.
It is conceivable that an image runs under emulation but it fails in real hardware. Conceivable, but very unlikely. Probably the problem is something else.

Post the SCP you made with your own original disk, and also a SCP image of the floppy you wrote that doesn't work (not the image you downloaded, but an image taken from the floppy disk you wrote).

And please detail the computer you are using (model, TOS version and country, amount of RAM, color or mono, etc).
mydisk.zip
Here you go.

All my set-up is listed below in my signature. Thanks

Just tested the copy on TOS 1.04 ROMs and still gets scuppered by protection. It says in the manual that they don't want you to make a single copy lol

Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 05 Jan 2025 21:11
by ijor
Cosmic Puppet wrote: 05 Jan 2025 21:04 mydisk.zip Here you go.
Thanks, but just in case I wasn't clear, I need two images.

One image taken from your original disk.
Another image taken from the non working floppy that you wrote using the image from your original disk (hope it makes sense, ask me if it doesn't).

Did you try if it makes a difference booting without the hard disk?

What hardware are you using for reading and writing, a Greaseweazle?

EDIT: Are you using a color or a mono monitor? Or you tried both?

Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 05 Jan 2025 22:02
by Cosmic Puppet
ijor wrote: 05 Jan 2025 21:11
Cosmic Puppet wrote: 05 Jan 2025 21:04 mydisk.zip Here you go.
Thanks, but just in case I wasn't clear, I need two images.

One image taken from your original disk.
Another image taken from the non working floppy that you wrote using the image from your original disk (hope it makes sense, ask me if it doesn't).

Did you try if it makes a difference booting without the hard disk?

What hardware are you using for reading and writing, a Greaseweazle?

EDIT: Are you using a color or a mono monitor? Or you tried both?
Sorry I think I might have confused the issue.

All the good copies have worked, just with this message when they're not the original disk:
Screenshot 2025-01-05 215714.jpg
Only this loads:
Screenshot 2025-01-05 220112.jpg

Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 05 Jan 2025 22:11
by ijor
Cosmic Puppet wrote: 05 Jan 2025 22:02 Sorry I think I might have confused the issue.
All the good copies have worked, just with this message when they're not the original disk:
The error message DOES NOT say the disk is not COPY protected. Just that it is not (write) protected. Move the write protect tab to the open position.

Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 05 Jan 2025 22:31
by Cosmic Puppet
ijor wrote: 05 Jan 2025 22:11
Cosmic Puppet wrote: 05 Jan 2025 22:02 Sorry I think I might have confused the issue.
All the good copies have worked, just with this message when they're not the original disk:
The error message DOES NOT say the disk is not COPY protected. Just that it is not (write) protected. Move the write protect tab to the open position.
Hi. I thought the same, but it was the first thing I tried. Just retested to make sure. I assume it's just poorly worded. It means that the files will only work on the disk that has copy protection.

Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 05 Jan 2025 23:23
by Cosmic Puppet
I'm guessing that the copy-protection being on the physical disk isn't a problem in emulation because it's no longer a physical disk being read. Seems they've done something clever. There's whole legal bit at the start of the manual telling you you are not allowed to photocopy any part of the manual lol

Re: Copy-Protected Disk (Once it dies, software gone)

Posted: 06 Jan 2025 00:37
by ijor
Cosmic Puppet wrote: 05 Jan 2025 22:31 Hi. I thought the same, but it was the first thing I tried. Just retested to make sure. I assume it's just poorly worded. It means that the files will only work on the disk that has copy protection.
So, again, please post the second image as I asked earlier. Take the floppy that is issuing this message. Make a new SCP image from that floppy, and post it.