EU GPSR: Exxos, do you have an EU point of contact?

[rubber_jonnie]

I would move somewhere else if I thought anywhere was any better.

My aunt and uncle moved to France and was over there for about five years and they came back to England, they basically said the opposite and said the people were not nice at all and really did not like the English people. I guess it really depends on the area..

Where our place is there is a heavy ex-pat community, and as long as you try to fit in then you get along ok, plus being in a rural area means it's very nice place to be and the locals are pretty chilled. That being said, would I feel the same after 5 years? I don't know. We may just opt to live there part of the year, we haven't come up with a long term plan yet.

That's the only hope currently. The thing is they have basically caused all the damage already now. But any exceptions, unless it's done literally next week and is perfectly clear on what's what, it's not really going to help the majority of people anyway. If people only sell a couple of items to EU per year and simply stop selling now, even if the law was changed I think they may just decide not to bother again anyway. Just not worth the hassle or risk of something going wrong again in the future etc

Fair enough.

My calculation is that 33% of my sales go to the EU. I've always suspected something would happen where I could not ship to the EU even talked about it previously. I can survive yes, but that is a significant impact on my sales revenue per year.. Less money coming in also equates to less funds for putting projects into production and developing new products etc I have been struggling enough as it is, which is why I started taking donations to at least have the money to keep the entire exxoshost ever running even if I am forced to shut down my store totally. Certainly not a good time to small businesses right now... And all happening right at Christmas time as well when people should be at their busiest...

I have patched my store code so I can easily turn off a non-EU sales. But I myself have just been put off wanting to deal with the EU now period. Like I said earlier, I was not even aware of the German packaging law licensing crap. God knows what all the laws are out there which I am unaware of. So even if something is sorted out, I think I would be reluctant to enable EU sales again in the future anyway. It just does not seem like it's worth potential hassle.

I think likely that's the way it's going to go, and the retro community is going to be all the poorer for it.

[DoG]

I have a motherboard coming from UK to me (Sweden - EU). It has been sent but will probably arrive after the 13th... :?

[exxos]

I have a motherboard coming from UK to me (Sweden - EU). It has been sent but will probably arrive after the 13th... :?

I would assume nothing would happen because I still don't understand how they even intend to police this law...

[exxos]

I fleetingly mentioned the law to another UK PCB supplier and they replied..

Hi Chris,

I also wasn't aware of the EU GPSR law but will investigate the requirements and potential impact to see if there is anything we can put in place with the manufacturing process that might help

Best Regards

[alexh]

A google found a post from eBay Customer Services :

Products that were first supplied for distribution, consumption, or use in the EU market (in the course of a commercial activity) prior to Dec. 13, 2024, are exempted from GPSR, as long as they conform with Directive 2001/95/EC.

So if I understand this, if you have a CE mark for your electronics (and everything should) and your product has not changed since the CE mark was granted, they are exempt?

[exxos]

A google found a post from eBay Customer Services :

Products that were first supplied for distribution, consumption, or use in the EU market (in the course of a commercial activity) prior to Dec. 13, 2024, are exempted from GPSR, as long as they conform with Directive 2001/95/EC.

So if I understand this, if you have a CE mark for your electronics (and everything should) and your product has not changed since the CE mark was granted, they are exempt?

I presume so yes. If everything was in conform with the previous directive then they should be exempt from needing to comply with the new law..

It also does not mention about this stupid EU representative stuff even if you are complying with the old legislation and don't require GPSR.

But it does not really help anyone like me ultimately. I mean did Atari motherboards have a CE conformity ? If not, then it is basically illegal to sell them within the EU without all the new red tape crap.

EBay and Amazon (from what I have read ) are basically forcing everyone to comply with the new legislations or get banned basically. So even so, doesn't seem to be exceptions .

Just had another reply from another PCB supply in the UK who also have not even heard of this law... Its pretty much sounding like a lot of companies will be operating illegally within Europe, and if there are huge fines... On every single company... The EU could pretty much bankrupt United Kingdom. But of course the repercussions of not complying are as vague as the rest of the law. The bottom line is, all the small sellers just want to keep the hell away from all this crap myself included.

[DoG]

CE was introduced in 1993 so no - Atari does not have CE markings.

[Steve]

This surely must just be about new, production products. Selling an old Atari motherboard second-hand surely cannot come under the same legislation.

As far as I can tell, this GPSR thing is in reaction to China and also the Trump tariffs. Once Trump puts a tariff on China, China will focus on pushing exports to the rest of the world. I think the EU is simply trying to stop their market being absolutely bombarded, undermining EU business. I realise the rules are a 'catch all', because it's probably illegal to single-out China. But they will most likely be 99% focused on products coming from China, and if they actually tried to enforce this kind of thing for other countries I'd be very surprised. Anyway, this is what my RATIONAL brain is telling me. Who knows if they are rational.

[exxos]

This surely must just be about new, production products. Selling an old Atari motherboard second-hand surely cannot come under the same legislation.

The EU's General Product Safety Regulation (GPSR) applies to new, used, repaired, and reconditioned consumer products.

[Steve]

This surely must just be about new, production products. Selling an old Atari motherboard second-hand surely cannot come under the same legislation.

The EU's General Product Safety Regulation (GPSR) applies to new, used, repaired, and reconditioned consumer products.

Bloody hell! Then this truly is madness.