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TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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terriblefire wrote: 24 Jan 2023 14:09 Other thing to compare notes on is the PCMCIA reset setup?
Good point. Just read through the replies again and they do mention they have done the Gayle fix so that could be it.

I will see if I can find a Gayle reset fix device for sale, looks like it should fit with the ScanPlusAGA in place. So far have only found them on ebay from amigakit but would rather buy from somebody else :|
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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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You can get them from AmigaStore.eu i believe.
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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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Just had a proper look and it doesn't seem like it would fit, the ScanplusAGA Lisa board overhangs Gayle slightly and the VGA cable connects there. :(

I have no way to test anything without the ScanplusAGA so no idea what to try other than building my own Gayle fix and keeping the components as close to the bottom towards the Alice side as possible, that could work but it's a bit beyond my skill set, I imagine.

I thought the fix was to fix a bug and force a hardware reset at power on or reboot, can it really effect it in usage?
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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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It's me! I got it working by either doing the timing fixes or the Gayle fix. I suspect it was the Timing fixes because the machine would simply not start up. Cold boot or warm boot, the PCMCIA card was not detected. Considering yours is kinda working, I'm willing to bet its the timing fixes. Do you have any? My board had half of them, I threw in the last 3 and poof it worked.

So here is what I have.

2b Board
3Com 3CCe589ET
3.2.1 ROMS - worked with the regular 3.2.1 and still works with the 3.2.1+TF IDE drivers.
Apollo 1230 Timing Fixes: http://ianstedman.co.uk/amiga-relate...erboard-fixes/


Overview:

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Timing Fixes:

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http://ianstedman.co.uk/amiga-relate...erboard-fixes/

Note that the resistor to Alice pin 43 detailed on this page is not a good way to do it. This is far simpler.

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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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I'm being followed :o

Timing fixes were done by RetroPassion in 2020 while it was being recapped, I have no idea what fixes they do though, they said it's for compatibility with ACA cards.

I'm considering ways to fit the Gayle reset fix, as you can see, there's not a lot of room. I could possibly bend up the connector for the VGA cable as it sits too close to the top of Gayle as it is, don't want to break anything though.

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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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Oh dude, simple.. desolder that connector and then attach it with leads. it will be well worth the trouble, the Gayle fix is awesome. I dont have to worry about doing it in software. I feel like the software was buggy too. You dont have to sweat about restarting every time you throw another CF card in.

But I still think you should double check your timing fixes.
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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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avongil wrote: 26 Jan 2023 13:00 Oh dude, simple.. desolder that connector and then attach it with leads. it will be well worth the trouble, the Gayle fix is awesome. I dont have to worry about doing it in software. I feel like the software was buggy too. You dont have to sweat about restarting every time you throw another CF card in.
If I was 100% convinced I need the Gayle fix, I would probably do that but considering PCMCIA cards cause no trouble at all in any way that's usually related to it, i'm not sure it will help. I have no trouble booting or rebooting with any PCMCIA card installed and can remove and insert any card I have tried with no problem or any difference in how they operate, I don't need CardPatch or CardReset installed either.
I will probably try one once I have a screen I can use from the RGB output since they're not too expensive and if it does solve the problem consider if it's worth the hassle. It may just make more sense to just find a different network card though since I know a WiFi card worked fine.
avongil wrote: 26 Jan 2023 13:00 But I still think you should double check your timing fixes.
I'll be removing the motherboard soon to put it in a new case so I'll see if I can identify what's been done and what hasn't.
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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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Just joined to say that I think I am experiencing the same issue.

I have an A1200 rev 1D.4. Recapped in 2022 by retropassion with the timing fixes that retropassion offer. Machine has 3.1ROMS.

I have an 3Com 3C562D/3C563D and a brand new TF1230. I have installed a clean OS3.1 install with just Roadshow. DHCP seems flaky about 3 weeks ago with a prior OS install it would work about 70% of the time. With the clean install as of 2 days ago it has not worked once. Setting the network settings manually for a static IP, netmask, DNS and default gateway connects correctly.

But...

ping works fine to any site I've tried with typical response times around 10ns. Anything HTTP does not seem to work at all. Amispeedtest negotiates a nearby server and then just appears to hang and does not complete the 1st 100kb download test (which I would expect to take 20-40seconds given the ping time).

I've tried _most_ configurations of my network set up but I don't have any alternate pcmcia NICs to swap in. I haven't yet tried a different TCP/IP stack nor have I tried taking out my TF1230, and swapping back in my memory mod. Though I assume from the above discussion changing stack won't have any impact and taking out the TF1230 will work again.
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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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I'll see if i can get hold of one of those 3Com cards and test with the up coming 1232.

EDIT: Annoyingly none in the UK. All in the US
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Re: TF1230 and 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet

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terriblefire wrote: 11 May 2023 15:39 I'll see if i can get hold of one of those 3Com cards and test with the up coming 1232.
EDIT: Annoyingly none in the UK. All in the US
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