Here's an update that will print the exact address of the first fault in each solid block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rcvovjouc8hzp ... 4.zip?dl=1
It also asks for an individual keypress before printing each kind of result and the graphic map so stuff doesn't scroll away too easily.
You will not be able to post if you are still using Microsoft email addresses such as Hotmail etc
See here for more information viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7296
See here for more information viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7296
DO NOT USE DEVICES WHERE THE IP CHANGES CONSTANTLY!
At this time it is unfortunately not possible to white list users when your IP changes constantly.
You may inadvertently get banned because a previous attack may have used the IP you are now on.
So I suggest people only use fixed IP address devices until I can think of a solution for this problem!
At this time it is unfortunately not possible to white list users when your IP changes constantly.
You may inadvertently get banned because a previous attack may have used the IP you are now on.
So I suggest people only use fixed IP address devices until I can think of a solution for this problem!
exxos blog - random goings on
Re: exxos blog - random goings on
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Home: http://www.leonik.net/dml/sec_atari.py
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Quake II playlist: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... 5nMm10m0UM
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Quake II playlist: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... 5nMm10m0UM
Re: exxos blog - random goings on
So if I got this right.. The start and end address fail and although the ones in between pass...
I don't get it.
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1100000010101011000110 - FAILRe: exxos blog - random goings on
Crumbs, I take a weekend off and four pages go by!
Sounds like DML has gone to town on the testing programs.
VIDEL can organise its row and column multiplexing however was convenient at the time and the data lines wouldn't necessarily correspond to the bus data lines.
By way of example on DFB1 the row and column multiplexing changes between firmware and providing the individual bits within each bytes are all kept together, the order of the bits can vary between 'bus bits' and 'chip bits'.
Prior knowledge is required.
My understanding of the bit11 problem is the other way around, however. The Falcon's RAM is 32 bit, accessed by VIDEL as such and is I believe interleaved cleverly to increase access speed (@mikro may be able to enlighten us her). That would mean that bit11 on the data bus actually spans two different chips. If you were seeing a bit11 error on every single RAM access, then that *would* be odd!
... going to digest the rest of the thread now.
BW
Sounds like DML has gone to town on the testing programs.
Without specific knowledge of VIDEL (which @ijor may have?) there's no way of inferring which bit of which address ends up where from purely logical deduction.exxos wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:20 am I'm not sure how the RAM is orientated in RAMon the STFM you have 16 chips 1 bit each. It makes up 512k. So when the other 16 chips are fitted, it uses a high bank CAS1H CAS1L. Then to add more RAM you have MAD9 in play for 4MB. At which point I assume its 1MB banks which are selected with RAS/CAS.
The falcon loses meI assume having more addresses and 32bit that its in blocks of 4MB then bank switches. So for there to be a 1MB chunk missing every 4MB.. I'd assume MAD10 is broken or a bank select RAS/CAS ... I dunno.. @Badwolf translate
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VIDEL can organise its row and column multiplexing however was convenient at the time and the data lines wouldn't necessarily correspond to the bus data lines.
By way of example on DFB1 the row and column multiplexing changes between firmware and providing the individual bits within each bytes are all kept together, the order of the bits can vary between 'bus bits' and 'chip bits'.
Prior knowledge is required.
In 16-bit video mode each pixel is 16 bits and they're packed adjacent to each other, so it does fill the memory. You were quoting the VIDEL registers which store each palette (in the indexed modes) as RGxB (32bit). Not relevant in this case as they're not used for 16 bit mode and they're not in DRAM anyway.exxos wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:09 pm Is bit11 in the videl actually used for starters ? I think you said your program used true colour, so it would never register on those faulty bits ?
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There is something else which may have to be considered here.. That bit11 assuming testing in 16 bits.. Actually has a high and low word.. Assuming this will mean that bit11 could actually be bit 27 in a different RAM chip![]()
My understanding of the bit11 problem is the other way around, however. The Falcon's RAM is 32 bit, accessed by VIDEL as such and is I believe interleaved cleverly to increase access speed (@mikro may be able to enlighten us her). That would mean that bit11 on the data bus actually spans two different chips. If you were seeing a bit11 error on every single RAM access, then that *would* be odd!
... going to digest the rest of the thread now.
BW
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FrontBench The Frontier: Elite 2 intro as a benchmark
Re: exxos blog - random goings on
dml wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:41 pm Here's an update that will print the exact address of the first fault in each solid block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rcvovjouc8hzp ... 4.zip?dl=1
It also asks for an individual keypress before printing each kind of result and the graphic map so stuff doesn't scroll away too easily.
Re: exxos blog - random goings on
Badwolf wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:48 pm Crumbs, I take a weekend off and four pages go by!
Sounds like DML has gone to town on the testing programs.![]()
Yes indeed @dml I think is writing programs faster than I can try them currently
I think we are all going down the rabbit hole somehow with this problem though
I was merely trying to narrow it down to any specific address range relating to bit 11. Obviously seems to not fail completely because it only fails on certain address ranges.
Currently I was only blaming the data bit itself, but wondering could the address bits themselves had blown the chip. But currently the signals look fine on those so I assume it is not relating to any particular address combination.
Just does not make sense that if bit 11 Was blowing the chip, then why did it only blow the chip on particular address ranges.. Does not really make sense..
Re: exxos blog - random goings on
Just noticed the address reporting is off by 4 (postinc bug) so the 0xac8 offset will actually be 0xac4 (for a 32bit test), and might be ac6 for a 16bit test, depending on which word is affected.
(I'll fix this and update the link but you don't really need to re-run the test, just take it into account).
(I'll fix this and update the link but you don't really need to re-run the test, just take it into account).
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Re: exxos blog - random goings on
Yep.. I was just about to ask that there was a slight discrepancy there.dml wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:00 pm Just noticed the address reporting is off by 4 (postinc bug) so the 0xac8 offset will actually be 0xac4 (for a 32bit test), and might be ac6 for a 16bit test, depending on which word is affected.
(I'll fix this and update the link but you don't really need to re-run the test, just take it into account).
Re: exxos blog - random goings on
Here's the fixed version (the address-off-by-4-bytes reporting) and I removed the 16bit data test since it seems redundant now.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0upei90g63zj8 ... 5.zip?dl=1
Will leave it alone until/unless something more is requested
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0upei90g63zj8 ... 5.zip?dl=1
Will leave it alone until/unless something more is requested
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Re: exxos blog - random goings on
Many thanks.dml wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:03 pm Here's the fixed version (the address-off-by-4-bytes reporting) and I removed the 16bit data test since it seems redundant now.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0upei90g63zj8 ... 5.zip?dl=1
Will leave it alone until/unless something more is requested
Might be worth putting these programs in the software essential section and just doing a quick write-up about them ? think it may be useful in the future if not for myself other people..
As said previously I think we are going down the rabbit hole little bit here now.
We have no way of really telling what failure mode the DRAM IC would have. I will just have to speculate that when some bad spikes hit bit 11, regardless of what address it was on, it must have punched through some other blocks in the chip somehow as well. For example ,it just takes out alternate 1MB blocks in the chip for whatever reason.
It just seemed odd that if something was blowing up so many address ranges, then it would blow the entire lot in the chip. Not just particular "banks" within the chip. What I can tell it just seems pretty random what address it starts to fail on. Is not like it just simply got to address on a 4MB boundary and then started to fail. In that case we could blame it on whatever address bits switched over at the 4MB mark. But that does not seem to be the case.
Re: exxos blog - random goings on
We don't know what particular row and column xAE6 in the lower bank corresponds to, but that particular data line will be used for all other lower addresses too, so it's not going to be on the data pin side.exxos wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:08 pm We have no way of really telling what failure mode the DRAM IC would have. I will just have to speculate that when some bad spikes hit bit 11, regardless of what address it was on, it must have punched through some other blocks in the chip somehow as well. For example ,it just takes out alternate 1MB blocks in the chip for whatever reason.
Looks like that particular row and column is returning high no matter whan you write to it. The little charge bucket in that part of the chip is zonko, I reckon.
BW
EDIT: but as for why fewer errors when DFB1 attached..? That's odd. Is DFB1 enabled or disabled when you see this phenomenon?
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FrontBench The Frontier: Elite 2 intro as a benchmark
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