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exxos wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:42 pm Eagle has more bloody bugs than our back garden! :roll:
Well Eagle has gone in a very odd direction. Quote from wikipedia on Eagle versions.
On 7 January 2020, EAGLE 9.5.2 was discontinued as a standalone product and only licensed to users as a bundled item (Fusion Electronics) with an Autodesk Fusion 360 subscription license. The last standalone version of EAGLE is 9.6.2 as of 27 May 2020. Fusion Electronics design files carry a version 9.7.0 designation.
The latest Eagle now resides within Fusion 360 and is very odd beast. I could not really get to grips with it and I am a Fusion user used to their UX. I gave up o it and tend to use 9.6.2.
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Icky wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 4:59 pm The latest Eagle now resides within Fusion 360 and is very odd beast. I could not really get to grips with it and I am a Fusion user used to their UX. I gave up o it and tend to use 9.6.2.
Yeah forcing people to have fusion as well basically = more money no doubt. Like I said before, the eagle was not perfect even when Farnell briefly took over. There was bugs in it going right back to version 4 which never got solved. In fact a lot of things actually got worse in later updates. So then Autodesk took over, built up a load of "features" on basically faulty engine then decided it to merge it with fusion.. *shudders* .

I am still using version 7.7 here. Basically has the most features with the least bugs. Versions after that just progressively got worse :roll: They don't care about the little guy either, they only interested in the corporate big-money subscription stuff :roll:
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insert here "it's time to move to Kicad" song

Well, maybe not for your biggest projects, where your familiarity with Eagle and its weaknesses and how to work around them is more important, but maybe try to do the relocator on Kicad as well as on Eagle, to get the hang of things.

That said, maybe wait for version 6.
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sporniket wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:01 pm insert here "it's time to move to Kicad" song

Well, maybe not for your biggest projects, where your familiarity with Eagle and it's weaknesses and how to work around them is more important, but maybe try to do the relocator on Kicad as well as on Eagle, to get the hang of things.

That said, maybe wait for version 6.

I did try it some months ago and it is certainly getting a lot better. But I literally have hundreds of PCBs in eagle and have been using it since version 4 wayyyyy back, not so simple to just jump ship.

But like you say, I know the problems with it and can work around them. Moving to a different program could may well have its own issues and problems of course take time to work out. Because I am familiar with Eagle, I can just go to it and do my PCB. In kicad, will probably take me some hours how to work out how to change routing tool :lol: :roll: It really needs to have a eagle "skin" if it was familiar like that they will probably make me personally move to it as I don't have to relearn how to design PCBs again.

I would definitely recommend anyone starting out with PCB design to use Kicad. Eagle has just become a total disaster in recent years. I think the problem with eagle is nobody has really done huge projects in it like a motherboard. It just runs incredibly slow. I think back in the early days of me doing smaller boards I did not notice the bugs as much as I do now. While eagle might have some interesting and potentially very useful tools, every single one of them is broken as I pointed out in my video, even the most basic routing tools are also now broken.

There are options which just blatantly seem to be missing and you could right click to cycle through track angle styles individually in version 7, in version 9 it only seems to toggle between two different angles which just makes it more work than having to select them manually every time. I don't know if there are settings for that anywhere, but I just really cannot be bothered to go and look any more.

The only thing which does seem to work and I like over version 7 is the automatic highlight of DRC errors. Though this is somewhat countermanded by the fact that Eagle itself causes most of the DRC errors in the first place :roll:

If I ever get enough time presumably still doing circuit boards in the future, and assuming there are better versions of Kicad, and I may well sit down and start converting my stuff over to it. But with things like the H5 motherboard, while this does seem to convert over, but would I really trust it to send the gerbers off to fab after a direct copy ...

If Kicad had some more automated routing tools like Eagle 9 has (I think I mentioned this before a while ago) and bring the functionality of Eagle 9 but actually works in Kicad, then I may be tempted to jump ship a lot sooner. But I'm not sure this will really happen because it is part of the autorouter system which Kicad doesn't seem to have anything working in that respect. There was some weird add-on years ago but I never got back to work and I think it was abandoned a long time ago.
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exxos wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 6:18 pm But like you say, I know the problems with it and can work around them. Moving to a different program could may well have its own issues and problems of course take time to work out. Because I am familiar with Eagle, I can just go to it and do my PCB. In kicad, will probably take me some hours how to work out how to change routing tool :lol:
It reminds me an article from Dave Small (the french "Atari Magazine" did publish some of them translated, one of the little pleasure of the time) about the second principle of thermodynamics (a.k.a 'entropy can only increase') and his own interpretation applied to computers, like "whatever you do, you will take the maximum of time to achieve a task ; if you change your tool to be more efficient and work quickier, you will lose time elsewhere so that the initial benefit is lost, and some more"
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@sporniket Reminds me of this :lol:

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So as JLC changed the format of their BOM headers, I've had to spend the last 2 hours or so trying to figure out what the hell my converter script is doing so I could patch it :lol: :roll: Hopefully JLC will accept my files again now!

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Good news is the ST2VGA boards and diagnostic cartridge PCBs have arrived!

Bad news is they screwed up the ST2VGA boards, all 500 of them :cussing: :cussing: I have fixed about 25 of them, but they will just have to go back off to China to be fixed because I'm sick of fixing other people's mistakes. I'm still working on the power supplies where they fitted the wrong diode. Also the did not solder the pin headers on the STM 4MB boards, so having to do that as well. Now they soldered diodes on the ST2VGA backwards. There will be some heading to the store hopefully tomorrow. But I will just have to start another batch and just build them myself because I cannot see me getting these boards back from China any time soon :(

Diagnostic cartridges look like they have been built properly. Although they are sticky as hell! so busy cleaning them up as well currently. :roll: In fact the ST2VGA are similarly as sticky.

So sick and fed up of having to fix other people's cock-ups all the time :cussing: I think I will be looking for a different assembly house as I'm just not dealing with current company again any more. It's pointless me getting boards made when I am still having to do half the work myself anyway :pullhair:

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