Unless the design is fundamentally different to the A500. I don’t trust the PCB explorer. Look at the published schematics. Either way if you pull VPA low you will cause chaoskludge wrote: 22 Mar 2019 10:29Because I want to pull BR low for the bus arbitration, and by doing that VPA would also go low as they are tied together on the A600. I can’t see how these could be used to communicate with the CIAs as there doesn’t seem to be any traces between the chips. At all.terriblefire wrote: 22 Mar 2019 10:24 If you mess with these lines and/or don’t connect them to the Amiga then the machine won’t work.
Why would you pull them up if the Amiga already does this anyways??
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
I’ll check the schematics. My point is that what I’m doing now is pulling VPA low “by mistake” by pulling BR low. And I want to correct that. _IF_ PCB Explorer is correct.terriblefire wrote: 22 Mar 2019 10:36 Unless the design is fundamentally different to the A500. I don’t trust the PCB explorer. Look at the published schematics. Either way if you pull VPA low you will cause chaos
I’ll check and come back here with results. Good or bad :)
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
From http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/downloads/a ... matics.pdf. BR pulled up together with VPA. E and VMA unconnected. Does seem to differ from A500 then.
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
Ok. Then pull BR low on the Amiga and cut the trace to the DiP VPA and pull it high with a botch wire.
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
Yup, that’s the plan. We’ll see what happens :)terriblefire wrote: 22 Mar 2019 11:38 Ok. Then pull BR low on the Amiga and cut the trace to the DiP VPA and pull it high with a botch wire.
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
probably worth being able to undo that with a jumper as the STE will not be able to reuse that adapter without VPA.kludge wrote: 22 Mar 2019 11:52Yup, that’s the plan. We’ll see what happens :)terriblefire wrote: 22 Mar 2019 11:38 Ok. Then pull BR low on the Amiga and cut the trace to the DiP VPA and pull it high with a botch wire.
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
Wouldn’t the board need to be redesigned to fit in the STE anyway? But for testing, absolutely.terriblefire wrote: 22 Mar 2019 12:38 probably worth being able to undo that with a jumper as the STE will not be able to reuse that adapter without VPA.
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
Holy hell!
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Garbage before this text was binary numbers: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 240, 15, 170 and 85
To help you find biterrors to paula. Now starting normal startuptext etc
Amiga DiagROM V1.1 - 01-Jan-19 - By John (Chucky/The Gang) Hertell
Testing if serial loopbackadapter is installed: <> NOT DETECTED
- Parallel Code $ff - Start of ROM, CPU Seems somewhat alive
Checking status of mousebuttons for different startups:
Set all Interrupt enablebits (INTENA $dff09a) to Disabled: Done
Set all Interrupt requestbits (INTREQ $dff09c) to Disabled: Done
Set all DMA enablebits (DMACON $dff096) to Disabled: Done
Testing if OVL is working: OK
- Parallel Code $fe - Test UDS/LDS line
- Test of writing word $FFFF to $400 OK
- Test of writing word $00FF to $400 OK
- Test of writing word $FF00 to $400 OK
- Test of writing word $0000 to $400 OK
- Test of writing byte (even) $ff to $400 OK
- Test of writing byte (odd) $ff to $401 OK
- Parallel Code $fd - Start of chipmemdetection
Addr $001F8400 OK Number of 32K blocks found: $40
Startaddr: $00000400 Endaddr: $00200000
Using $001ECD00 as start of workmem (Base)
- Parallel Code $fa - Starting to use detected memory
Testing if serial loopbackadapter is installed: <> NOT DETECTED
Detecting if we have a working raster: DETECTED
Detected Chipmem: 2048kB
Detected Motherboard Fastmem: 4294967232kB
Basememory address: $001ECD00
- Parallel Code $f9 - Detected memory in use, we now have a stack etc
Set Start of copper (COP1LCH $dff080): Done
Starting Copper (COPJMP1 $dff088): Done
Set all DMA enablebits (DMACON $dff096) to Enabled: Done
Set Beam Conter control register to 32 (PAL) (BEAMCON0 $dff1dc): Done
Set POTGO to all OUTPUT ($FF00) (POTGO $dff034): Done
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Amiga DiagROM V1.1 - 01-Jan-19 - By John (Chucky/The Gang) Hertell
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$FE7E7A85 $F2DA8CE7 $46764915 $00000000 $00000000 $00000000 $00000000 $006C0070
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
Hoa !,
Way to go man ! :dualthumbup:
Now testing a TF board would be very intrestring :P
Way to go man ! :dualthumbup:
Now testing a TF board would be very intrestring :P
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Re: Compatibility issues with TF530/TF534 and A600?
Two problems with that plan:Justme14 wrote: 22 Mar 2019 14:54 Hoa !,
Way to go man ! :dualthumbup:
Now testing a TF board would be very intrestring :P
One: I still haven't got a working TF53x card. It's in the works.
Two: The adapter is two millimeters too tall, so the TF53x wedges against the back wall of the A600. I'll see if I can find a workaround.
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