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Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
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exxos
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
What about the reset signal....
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
Yeah, the reset signal had crossed my mind, it's not present at all on the Mega socket.
@exxos I presume it needs to held high or low?
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
High I presume.
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
I'll see if the schematics show, but high would make sense.
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
Here is a small delay circuit for the reset line (about 20ms). The cap is a electrolytic capacitor.
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
I have checked the IKBD CPU datasheet and the reset is active low, so tried pulling it high, but no difference, I also joined the GND pins for the KBD (1 & 8) together,just in case that was an issue.
Checking the IKBD reset on a working STFM, I confirmed it's active high, and goes low when reset is pressed as expected. I tried switching the TX/RX lines, these are the combinations of hookup I've tried:
And I have also tried with reset open and tied to GND and pin 1 not connected at all. Keyboard is working fine on another STFM.
I suppose it is possible that connecting an STFM keyboard to a Mega ST just isn't possible, though it seems odd that it can be done the other way around. More research needed.
Checking the IKBD reset on a working STFM, I confirmed it's active high, and goes low when reset is pressed as expected. I tried switching the TX/RX lines, these are the combinations of hookup I've tried:
And I have also tried with reset open and tied to GND and pin 1 not connected at all. Keyboard is working fine on another STFM.
I suppose it is possible that connecting an STFM keyboard to a Mega ST just isn't possible, though it seems odd that it can be done the other way around. More research needed.
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
@DoG Thanks I'll give that a go. I was wondering if some sort of delay might be needed. TBH I haven't checked reset with a scope,only a logic probe up to this point.DoG wrote: 05 Apr 2020 15:45 Here is a small delay circuit for the reset line (about 20ms). The cap is a electrolytic capacitor. hw-rj12 electrolytic capacitor.jpg
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
Not progressing with this due to other things, plus a load of info on AF is temporarily unavailable. Parking for now, but I'll be back :)
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
When googleing about this some time ago I found someone have done it but I think he used other values on the cap and resistor to get it working. I'll try and find the post again. But I bet you it was on Atari-Forum and that's down at the moment.
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Re: Cable info to connect a Mega ST keyboard to a standard ST
Did you get this working in the end?rubber_jonnie wrote: 23 May 2020 10:29 Not progressing with this due to other things, plus a load of info on AF is temporarily unavailable. Parking for now, but I'll be back :)
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