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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

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derkom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:04 pm
sandord wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:01 pm I've done a quick search at a parts store and found 4.7 µF 50V 10% ceramic caps measuring only 1.6 x 3.2 x 1.6 mm (I know, SMT). I find it hard to believe that these even smaller caps will do. But sure, specs are specs, right?
I would not expect that to be able to handle anywhere near the required current, but maybe @exxos should take this one. 8-)
What package ? 1206 or larger should be fine anyway.
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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

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Just my two cents i would rather have a capacitor rated at 105c for 2000hr than any 85c capacitor at any hours

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exxos wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:06 pm What package ? 1206 or larger should be fine anyway.
I've looked up the dimensions of a 1206 package and it's supposed to be 3.0 x 1.5 mm so the cap I found is even a little bit larger at 3.2 x 1.6 mm.

Here's the spec sheet by the way, if you're interested:

https://asset.conrad.com/media10/add/16 ... mm-1-s.pdf
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Tomswork wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:25 am Just my two cents i would rather have a capacitor rated at 105c for 2000hr than any 85c capacitor at any hours

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Yeah, I agree. These devices aren't going to run for that many hours anyway and better resiliency for the periods they will is much more important.
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sandord wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:30 am
exxos wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:06 pm What package ? 1206 or larger should be fine anyway.
I've looked up the dimensions of a 1206 package and it's supposed to be 3.0 x 1.5 mm so the cap I found is even a little bit larger at 3.2 x 1.6 mm.

Here's the spec sheet by the way, if you're interested:

https://asset.conrad.com/media10/add/16 ... mm-1-s.pdf
I just saw the "1206" in the URL :roll: :P
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Just for reference, this is where I'll end up. I shopped a commercial picture of the ceramic cap into the photo, maybe it's even smaller in reality:

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Measure the pad and also check around it see if anything will short it is close to the edge or put some masking on it to insulate it

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Tomswork wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:40 pm Measure the pad and also check around it see if anything will short it is close to the edge or put some masking on it to insulate it

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Thanks for the advice. If all goes well, they'll be in the mail tomorrow. I might post a picture of the final result.
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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

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sandord wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:49 am I selected low ESR caps as much as possible.

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Commodore 1084S-P1 recap list

PCB  Part Type  Specs            Remarks Brand/model                         Srs Ripple  Life   Shop
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Neck 2136 Elcap 200V  4.7µF  85C ->400V  United Chemi-Con EKXE401ELL4R7MJ16S KXE 225 mA  12000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/United-Chemi-Con/EKXE401ELL4R7MJ16S?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e66vF2fXFUFUKOEkjD%2fyxS3cMS4aiMqHQ%3d%3d
     2141 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
Main 2601 Elcap 16V   100µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1C101               FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1C101?qs=ob%252bdNz2%252bYEhUA1aQKNasqg%3d%3d
     2291 Elcap 16V   1000µF 85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1C102L              FR  1.56 A  9000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1C102L?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22fJqYs4ddJyTvbFsgf7RFzA%3d
     2604 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d
     2647 Elcap 25V   4.7µF  85C         Nichicon UPW1E4R7MDD                UPW 180 mA  2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UPW1E4R7MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22UXbiauPutPBiV%2foTctGsDo%3d
     2669 Elcap 50V   10µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H100B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H100B?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1xuGJO0KXeNw%3d%3d
     2301 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2361 Elcap 50V   10µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H100B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H100B?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1xuGJO0KXeNw%3d%3d
     2328 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2327 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2640 Elcap 16V   100µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1C101               FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1C101?qs=ob%252bdNz2%252bYEhUA1aQKNasqg%3d%3d
     2697 Elcap 16V   47µF   85C ->25V   Panasonic EEU-FR1E470H              FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1E470H?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22fPWwtj8kO8a%2fzgYRLdr2SePr5fsnSkkOQ%3d%3d
     2696 Elcap 16V   47µF   85C ->25V   Panasonic EEU-FR1E470H              FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1E470H?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22fPWwtj8kO8a%2fzgYRLdr2SePr5fsnSkkOQ%3d%3d
     2272 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2274 Elcap 16V   100µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1C101               FR  280 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1C101?qs=ob%252bdNz2%252bYEhUA1aQKNasqg%3d%3d
     2268 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d
     2573 Elcap 63V   1.5µF  85C ->100V  Nichicon UKL2A1R5KDD                UKL 23 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UKL2A1R5KDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22SMYX67SZ2TeOVgMK0G64G4%3d
     2571 Elcap 35V   680µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1V681L              FR  2.47 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1V681L?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22fJqYs4ddJyTNfazGjwDasg%3d
     2560 Elcap 35V   220µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1V221               FR  950 mA  6000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1V221?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1qntTD%2fFg9QQ%3d%3d
     2561 Elcap 35V   220µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1V221               FR  950 mA  6000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1V221?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1qntTD%2fFg9QQ%3d%3d
     2563 Elcap 50V   470µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H471               FR  2.26 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H471?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22f2plZjWOZXTu0LqHMfIqXE%3d
     2269 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2266 Elcap 25V   4.7µF  85C         Nichicon UPW1E4R7MDD                UPW 180 mA  2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UPW1E4R7MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22UXbiauPutPBiV%2foTctGsDo%3d
     2512 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2515 Elcap 250V  1µF    85C         Panasonic ECA-2EM010                M   34 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECA-2EM010?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22ZJeXBnf%252bMH2XDsezkoHGhc%3d
     2511 Elcap 63V   2.2µF  85C ->100V  Panasonic ECA-2AM2R2I               M   30 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECA-2AM2R2I?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22ZGaUoI0JcRfCVPOCQ2yKp8%3d
     2536 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d
     2526 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d
     2524 Elcap 50V   4.7µF  85C Bipolar Panasonic ECE-A1HN4R7UB             SU  30 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECE-A1HN4R7UB?qs=rMMd5vBiahpkxAP40j04wA%3d%3d
     2537 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2547 Elcap 63V   2.2µF  85C ->100V  Panasonic ECA-2AM2R2I               M   30 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECA-2AM2R2I?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22ZGaUoI0JcRfCVPOCQ2yKp8%3d
     2541 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2520 Elcap 160V  10µF   85C         Panasonic ECA-2CHG100               NHG 70 mA   2000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/ECA-2CHG100?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22YuzYhk2RkTK9cQAJ%2f7o%252b7s%3d
     2445 Elcap 50V   470µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H471               FR  2.26 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H471?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22f2plZjWOZXTu0LqHMfIqXE%3d
     2451 Elcap 200V  47µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-EE2D470               EE  1.1A    10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-EE2D470?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22dN7zJS18SGV9iCD0vMIFLk%3d
     2447 Elcap 25V   470µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H471               FR  2.26 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H471?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22f2plZjWOZXTu0LqHMfIqXE%3d
     2446 Elcap 25V   470µF  85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H471               FR  2.26 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H471?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22f2plZjWOZXTu0LqHMfIqXE%3d
     2452 Elcap 50V   22µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H220B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H220B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22eHFyjIavHtVdKguaoTFhyw%3d
     2450 Elcap 50V   10µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H100B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H100B?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1xuGJO0KXeNw%3d%3d
     2416 Elcap 50V   10µF   85C         Panasonic EEU-FR1H100B              FR  250 mA  5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-FR1H100B?qs=tfZGHB2PWd1xuGJO0KXeNw%3d%3d
     2412 Elcap 400V  100µF  85C Snap-in Panasonic EEU-EE2G101               EE  2.06 A  10000h https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic/EEU-EE2G101?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22dN7zJS18SGVb6qEf80gQAc%3d
     2422 Elcap 50V   1µF    85C         Nichicon UHE1H010MDD                UHE 30 mA   5000h  https://nl.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Nichicon/UHE1H010MDD?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtZ1n0r9vR22e0BBN1kF1oiuvGryroGz0U%3d

I just subscribed to ask wether there is a mouser-project or Shopping cart That you can Share with me because i startet to recap my 1084S-P1 this week.

I would really appreciate cause it is a pain to select all of the caps.

Thanks a lot.

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Re: Monitor recapping and low ESR

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I just buy a recap kit. Getting to deep into the brand of cap is heading for audiophile territory. You arent going to notice any difference beyond a point.

Main things to replace in a monitor are the bits that work hard. The transistors on the neck board, flyback and HOT. Using decent caps is worth it but mostly because they probably wont leak all over your board.

Fixating on ESR is not really worth it.

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