Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.

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Re: Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.

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OK, so I have had another go:

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Should have the proportions of resin to hardener correct this time, so lets see what happens.
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:crossed1:
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HigashiJun wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:28 am:crossed1:
Resin has already set further than the last time :)
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rubber_jonnie wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:07 pm Resin has already set further than the last time :)
Sounds good !
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HigashiJun wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:12 pm
rubber_jonnie wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:07 pm Resin has already set further than the last time :)
Sounds good !
Indeed it does.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Let's wait and see what the result will be.

Just hope you are close to the goal !

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:crossed1:
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stephen_usher wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2024 2:03 pm :crossed1:
Yes to that.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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So, it's gone a bit better but still needs work. The mix was perfect, so that is something, fully set already this morning:

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It isn't without issues though:

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Unfortunately the blue cube mould got an air bubble in it at the fill hole, however the finish and weight of the cast ball was pretty good, and I can try again, but now just need to be sure I have a process to avoid air bubbles.

The spherical mould worked well from a size/weight perspective, however the alignment was poor leaving a lot of flashing on the edge:

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For reference I weighed some of the mice ball replacements I have, plus actual balls, results below.

20mm steel ball:

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20mm delrin ball:

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22mm mouse ball

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Hand rolled 'Milliput' (Epoxy filler):

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20mm rubber ball:

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20mm resin only ball:

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20mm resin/iron powder composite ball from spherical mould:

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20mm resin/iron powder composite ball from the blue cube mould made by me:

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I think the other ball from the spherical mould is representative of the finished weight of the blue cube ball if it wasn't missing a piece given the air bubble it suffered.

Given the weight of the 22mm mouse ball, I think that 20mm composite ball is really quite close weight wise and far better then the other offerings, such as rubber or delrin, and the steel is rather too heavy.

I think I will give the blue cube another go, and I may also try making a new mould from the 20mm steel ball in which I can suspend a smaller steel ball and pour RTV silcone round it like a normal ball.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
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Re: Something experimental - A5000 mouse ball replacement.

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Is there any way that you can put the resin into a syringe and inject it from the base of the mould so that you don't risk getting the filler hole blocked by a bubble?
Intro retro computers since before they were retro...
ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
Collection now with added Macs, Amigas, Suns and Acorns.
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