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Re: I've been Coleco'd

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HigashiJun wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:38 am @rubber_jonnie

Ouch, quite hot for 4116 RAM...

Better to fit heatsinks or maybe replace them with 4164 RAM for reliability ?
That's not unusual for 4116 TBH, it's the dead one that is cold that bothers me more :)
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Re: I've been Coleco'd

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rubber_jonnie wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:57 am That's not unusual for 4116 TBH, it's the dead one that is cold that bothers me more :)
The cold one is definitely dead.
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HigashiJun wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:03 pm
rubber_jonnie wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:57 am That's not unusual for 4116 TBH, it's the dead one that is cold that bothers me more :)
The cold one is definitely dead.
Definitely dead:

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Re: I've been Coleco'd

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I was going to say that's VRAM problem.

Yes, replace then with hacked 4164 chips and you will probably not need the -5V or +12V.
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Re: I've been Coleco'd

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stephen_usher wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:25 pm Yes, replace then with hacked 4164 chips and you will probably not need the -5V or +12V.
A wise advice !
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stephen_usher wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:25 pm I was going to say that's VRAM problem.

Yes, replace then with hacked 4164 chips and you will probably not need the -5V or +12V.
Indeed, I'm about to hack a 4164 :)

I did have some 4116's but I think I used them in the last Spectrum I resurrected, so the 4164 is my only option.

I'm just going to replace the dead one for now though.
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Re: I've been Coleco'd

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OK, so RAM hack done:

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And things are looking much better:

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So I think next I'll have a look at if I can get a composite signal out of this thing.
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No need to solder pin 1 of a 4164 as it's not connected, so just cut it off. :-)

You should be able to get RGB out of it with a daughter board which fits underneath the TMS VDP chip. https://videogameperfection.com/product ... -v2-board/
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Seems my excitement was short lived...

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Looks like another RAM IC has died. No huge surprise, just not 100% sure I have enough RAM to replace it all.
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stephen_usher wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:39 pm No need to solder pin 1 of a 4164 as it's not connected, so just cut it off. :-)

You should be able to get RGB out of it with a daughter board which fits underneath the TMS VDP chip. https://videogameperfection.com/product ... -v2-board/
I have sometimes used 41256's so it's a habit I have of soldering it to GND. Also, I don't like cutting pins off good IC's :)

BTW I have seen the RGB out mods but I don't have any RGB displays, so I usually use composite out via a Retrotink to HDMI.
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Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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