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rubber_jonnie wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 4:33 pm Andgate was very amusing to me :)
Me too - but in a typical autistic moment I was thinking that since this is a retro electronics/computer forum, maybe NANDGATE would allow any other logic to be synthesised?

I'll just pop outside to sort myself out...

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"Nandgate" was the first name I thought of, but thought Andgate sounded better, and more positive? :-)
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stephen_usher wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 5:47 pm "Nandgate" was the first name I thought of, but thought Andgate sounded better, and more positive? :-)
JezC wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 5:04 pm
rubber_jonnie wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 4:33 pm Andgate was very amusing to me :)
Me too - but in a typical autistic moment I was thinking that since this is a retro electronics/computer forum, maybe NANDGATE would allow any other logic to be synthesised?

I'll just pop outside to sort myself out...

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I also quite like Norgate :)
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Someone elsewhere suggested that... I'd not even thought about it. :-) Sounds a bit like Moorgate. :-)
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stephen_usher wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 7:13 pm Someone elsewhere suggested that... I'd not even thought about it. :-) Sounds a bit like Moorgate. :-)
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Since I got the ZX81 booty I've on-and off been trying to get a Cheetah 16K RAM pack to work.

I desoldered and tested all the 4116 RAM... All fine. Desoldered the three 74LS chips... all fine. Replaced all the caps, which were most definitely not fine! The 10uF 16V caps were testing as ~24uF and with a high leakage percentage. The 220uF one was better, only being about 20% out of spec. After replacing this lot the -5V rail changed from about -3.8V down to the required -5V. Still not working.

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Reflowed practically every joint. Checked with the oscilloscope and only A6 looked a little strange but not terrible.

Today I decided to test the machine I was using with the other RAM packs I have, first verifying them on my known good original ZX81. All good, so it's not the machine.

Seeing as the Memopak has a pass-through and you can daisy chain RAM packs to give more memory I tried an experiment. I removed all the chips from the Cheetah RAM pack. This should essentially make it inert. Daisy-chain that on the back of the Memopak and switch on... non-working machine!

Seeing as the lines from the edge connector don't actually go anywhere how can this be?

Checked for shorts, and nothing.

As a last ditched effort I reflowed the pins on the edge connector, making sure to bubble any flux out of the solder. That did the trick!

Obviously the flux they'd used had broken the connection of one or more pins but made a connection via capacitance, screwing up the bus(es).

Replacing all the chips and...

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A working RAM pack!
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ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
Added code to the MiNT kernel (still there the last time I checked) + put together MiNTOS.
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stephen_usher wrote: Mon May 19, 2025 4:13 pm Since I got the ZX81 booty I've on-and off been trying to get a Cheetah 16K RAM pack to work.

I desoldered and tested all the 4116 RAM... All fine. Desoldered the three 74LS chips... all fine. Replaced all the caps, which were most definitely not fine! The 10uF 16V caps were testing as ~24uF and with a high leakage percentage. The 220uF one was better, only being about 20% out of spec. After replacing this lot the -5V rail changed from about -3.8V down to the required -5V. Still not working.


IMG_4404.jpeg


Reflowed practically every joint. Checked with the oscilloscope and only A6 looked a little strange but not terrible.

Today I decided to test the machine I was using with the other RAM packs I have, first verifying them on my known good original ZX81. All good, so it's not the machine.

Seeing as the Memopak has a pass-through and you can daisy chain RAM packs to give more memory I tried an experiment. I removed all the chips from the Cheetah RAM pack. This should essentially make it inert. Daisy-chain that on the back of the Memopak and switch on... non-working machine!

Seeing as the lines from the edge connector don't actually go anywhere how can this be?

Checked for shorts, and nothing.

As a last ditched effort I reflowed the pins on the edge connector, making sure to bubble any flux out of the solder. That did the trick!

Obviously the flux they'd used had broken the connection of one or more pins but made a connection via capacitance, screwing up the bus(es).

Replacing all the chips and...


IMG_4407.jpeg


A working RAM pack!
I had a Cheetah RAM pack many moons ago, was still living at home, build quality was about what you'd expect for the era...

Needless to say it wobbled a lot, and I ended up cutting the edge connector off and soldering it directly onto my ZX81. Much more reliable after that.
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800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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Oh the joys of ram pack wobble, coupled with a poor keyboard. The cause of many early 80s upsets.
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After fixing the RAM pack I found that a column of keys had stopped working... SO...

A bit of re-engineering to help out the keyboard membrane:

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Well, that fixed it. :-)

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ZX81->Spectrum->Memotech MTX->Sinclair QL->520STM->BBC Micro->TT030->PCs & Sun Workstations.
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Makes me feel nostalgic, should pull my ZX81 out and have a play.
Collector of many retro things!
800XL and 65XE both with Ultimate1MB,VBXL/XE & PokeyMax, SIDE3, SDrive Max, 2x 1010 cassette, 2x 1050 one with Happy mod, 3x 2600 Jr, 7800 and Lynx II
Approx 20 STs, including a 520 STM, 520 STFMs, 3x Mega ST, MSTE & 2x 32 Mhz boosted STEs
Plus the rest, totalling around 50 machines including a QL, 3x BBC Model B, Electron, Spectrums, ZX81 etc...
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