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Vipersan wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 7:04 pm Yes the original and the modified floppies are set to drive ID zero.
Both of which are seen ...they both pass the motor speed test.
I'm now fairly convinced that the DMA chip is likely suspect. Apparently failed DMA chips are common.
...
So it would appear I do indeed have the 'dodgy' DMA chip in this Atari (CO25913-38)
I doubt that your problem is the "bad" DMA chip. The problem, at least most the common problem that this specific DMA chip version has, is only when writing data, and only to the hard disk, not when reading from the disk, not when accessing the floppy.

Of course, you could have a dead DMA chip. But that would be unusual and completely unrelated to the fact that you have the, so called, DMA chip version.
..and this is a known issue.
Actually it is not. The known and most common issue is data corruption when writing. There are also other DMA issues that are not so rare, but they usually produce intermittent errors, not a completely failure to read anything at all from the disk.
Using a meter in continuity mode I checked where possible pin to pin or pin to resistor ..
..and that I spent hours testing traces between various chips.
It might be difficult to diagnose without proper instruments. If you don't have access to a scope, or at least to a logic analyzer, you might consider getting one. There are nowadays extremely cheap ones available.

You might also consider getting an affordable hard disk. Without even considering the practical benefits of actually owning a hard disk, it will be useful for diagnosis. Say, if the hard disk works and the floppy does not, it might suggest that the problem might be on the FDC or may be the PSG, i.e.
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Hopefully I should have access to a logic analyser next weekend ...Borrowed from a friend..
Anyhoo for better or worse the DMA chip is off the mainboard..
Sadly it took one via with it..
still sort of attached to the chip leg.
Checked which pin ..
CA2 pin 27 ...which only goes directly to U301 pin 4 .
That trace remains intact as it is on the underside of the Atari pcb
only part of the via came with the chip ..the component side.
So soldering the socket bottom side will fix this.
All in all a success..with a very minor issue.
rgds
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Using my cheat sheets and the meter in continuity All the DMA socket to destination chips/pins were checked.
All appear correct...so calling this 40 pin socket a success.
Will a replacement DMA chip fix it..
Who knows.
I certainly dont
lol
Apologies to Exxos for splitting the thread..it wont happen again
rgds
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I think this is fairly conclusive..
The 3 DMA chips -38 versions arrived this morning.
I popped the first one in the tube into the new 40 pin socket and booted up the ST....
...and for the first time I saw 'content' displayed when selecting drive A.
I'm using the original Atari floppy drive BTW.
I will be adding the 10k pullups on the DMA bus...and when the caps arrive complete the recapping of the mainboard.
PSU was done a week ago...but sadly I didn't have all the values I needed for the mainboard.
in my old brain..and having spent many hours beeping out traces ..fitting the 40 pin base was the next logical step.
..if only to either prove a faulty DMA chip ..or at least eliminate it.
rgds
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I do have one -38 DMA chip which doesn't work for floppy accesses too...it caused a lot of head-scratching when trying to fault find that system. :(

However that is one in over 30 STs in my collection, so far from a common problem in my case.

Just glad you're making progress with it.
:D
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Hope I'm as lucky with the low power CPU I just ordered for £7 inc delivery.
It is badged as the HC version MC68HC000FN8.
It is always a nail biting excercise these days ...Too many fakes in circulation.
..so fingers crossed my luck holds.
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Vipersan wrote: Wed Feb 04, 2026 2:11 pm Hope I'm as lucky with the low power CPU I just ordered for £7 inc delivery.
It is badged as the HC version MC68HC000FN8.
It is always a nail biting excercise these days ...Too many fakes in circulation.
..so fingers crossed my luck holds.
8-D
This is why I sell tested and verified chips in my store. Cost a bit more yes, but no gamble.. Troubleshooting machines is hard enough without questioning if the replacement parts are good or not.
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Totally Agree ..
..and I am now aware of the tested chips in your store.
Its too late to cancel the one I ordered...
..so fingers crossed..
That said...
Should my purchase prove to be a mistake..you can expect an order from me.
cheers
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exxos wrote: Wed Feb 04, 2026 2:43 pm
This is why I sell tested and verified chips in my store. Cost a bit more yes, but no gamble.. Troubleshooting machines is hard enough without questioning if the replacement parts are good or not.
Or just getting the wrong model of IC. I was trying to test my 800 and thought I had bad CPUs, only it wasn't that at all, it turns out that some 400s & 800s actually used Sally CPUs like the XL/XE/XEGS series.

6502B just doesn't cut it...
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The CPU I ordered has arrive...and was fitted.
Held my breath and powered up.
It booted..which is good news..but is there any way to know if it is an HC version ?
I thought Sysinfo might tell me ..so I found a floppy image and created a physical floppy disk.
It just reports 68000...so non the wiser.
I may get burned for asking but here goes.
Can anyone recommend (privately if neccessary) where I might get a couple of game images I can write to physical floppy.
As said at the beginning ..I'm new to Atari so haven't many Atari disks..to test with....and the various disk formats are many and confusing.

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