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Additionally, the EU is preparing measures to address the surge of packages from online retailers, particularly from Asia, that often bypass EU customs checks and packaging regulations. Proposals include new taxes on e-commerce platforms and handling fees per item to level the playing field for European retailers who comply with EPR laws
So they know the system is broken and thier solution is to tax people even more.. :roll: I can see the ebay sellers loving paying more tax.. but what about those who did pay the packaging fees always ? They going to get punished for complying with the original law ?! :stars:

The EU are already trying to harmonise the across state different regulations. So it just seems to be that things are just ever increasing circles of broken systems which don't work and not enforced anyway.

At this point, if I goto all the trouble of registering and paying fees, by the time I've done all that, it's probably going to change again anyway. It's like trying to adear to speculative laws at this point . :roll:
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I managed to sign up with all the German crap, my God what an absolute ordeal it all was just to give them like £15! So I should be able to ship to Germany again now. But there will be a higher postage costs now unfortunately because I need to recover some time and costs back. I may ultimately reverse this decision next year, depending on if it is even worth it sale wise this year.

I looked at Austria and the costs were something like £25 but considering I think we only sent two packages there is just not worth it..

While we have shipped to most of the EU at some point, these are generally just a couple of packages, its just not worth the hassle in signing up with any other countries. I think some countries have a threshold of more than 1 tonne of rubbish per year, so while registration would be a hassle, and reporting package quantities would be a hassle, I could technically ship to those countries but generally they are ones and nobody cares about anyway.

I then looked at France they want £80 !! While this could be paid, I think France orders would have to add an additional £10 lumped onto the postage price.. It can be done, but i'm not sure it's really worth bothering with.

We have shipped several packages to Poland Sweden and Netherlands but I have not checked prices for those. Again I'm not sure it's really worth the hassle. I haven't yet found the sites to register or get a price for those states unless someone else knows...

EDIT:

After further looking into it all, the fees in others countries are getting more towards the £200-£300 mark. The whole thing is just frankly ridiculous in my opinion. I have tried everything I can think of to try and find some way out of this predicament. It is all I have literally done for the past week. It gets further complicated because individual EU states can "do their own thing" as well. It is boils down to the same fundamental problem, that if you sell something, you are a business, and as a business, if you send anything with packaging to anywhere within Europe, you have two pay the fees . As far as I can tell this does not apply to private individuals. But still a bit of a unfair jump as I class myself as a private individual and with the money I make I am barely a business by any definition IMO.

Why couldn't the EU just have done a deal with Royal mail or something, then just added like 10p onto the packages and recovered costs that way rather than going through all this immense rigmarole of total nonsense! I feel sorry for all the small sellers who are fighting all this stuff like I have been. We are just trying to make a living doing what we enjoy, but government authorities just want to try their hardest to push us all off the playing board! Sad times ahead indeed unless things significantly change, but I fear it is already too late! The road to hell is paved with good intentions as they say!

In any case I am done with all this now, that wasted enough of my life with GPSR and packaging regulations. I suggest everyone in Europe start letter bombing anyone they can about such stupid regulations affecting small sellers around the world. The only hope is if the European Union recognise their system is flawed and gives some reprieve to small sellers, but from what I have seen this is extremely unlikely to happen.
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I had missed this eBay article before but it seems they are trying to fight back against all this chaos!

"eBay petitions to update EPR rules and protect SMEs on the Single Market"
https://packagingeurope.com/news/ebay-p ... 35.article

"Safeguard small business access to the European Single Market through efficient waste management rules"
https://www.ebaymainstreet.com/petition/emea-epr
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. The current EU Packaging Directive is set to be replaced by a new EU Packaging and Packaging Waste Regulation (PPWR). As of today, this new EU Packaging Regulation PPWR has not yet fully come into force. However, it is already clear that the regulation will have significant consequences for online commerce within the EU. This is especially true for small businesses shipping to various European countries, but the regulation also impacts fulfillment service providers, marketplaces, and private households.
. The new EU Packaging Regulation (PPWR) is set to replace the existing Packaging Directive and is expected to have a significant impact on online trade within the EU. As it stands, smaller businesses will face major challenges, as all exemptions are expected to be removed, and EPR obligations will apply from the very first sale.
So likely the states which wasn't part of the system now are and the states which had high packaging thresholds will likely be gone now. I'm not looking into it all anymore. It's a pointless waste of time. Nobody is going to bother sending packages within the EU if they have to pay fees on even one package. The direction is clear.

I would also guess that while individual states can set their own tariffs currently, it makes it somewhat doable for Germany as the price is not too bad cost wise, aside from all the extra work. But if the EU are going to standardise that as well, they're probably going to do a expensive flat rate across the entire EU which means shipping to Germany will likely also become unviable soon. Or possibly they may make things even worse and group together the entire EU into one payment plan making things monumentally impossible. currently there is just no way I could spend the time keeping up with registrations and whatnot over 27 different countries even if the EU did simplify that, I cannot see the costs being simplified either . Considering the packaging law has been around for over two years in the EU's improvement on the law seems to making things incredibly worse over the next two years, it does not lie the EU are completely ignoring small businesses at this point. We can hope they will take pity on is all but how things are shaping up this seems incredibly unlikely.

I was working at a farm yesterday. The owner was saying they have great difficulty buying farm equipment these days. She went onto saying it effects people within the EU as well. Sad times for small sellers and businesses and farmers.

While I am currently selling to Germany, I don't know how long this will be true. It's impossible to keep up with all the regulations and the outcome looks to only be making life more difficult. So I will discontinue German shipping at the end of the year.
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exxos wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:10 pm
mikro wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:03 pm Interesting. I'm just mentioning it because I wanted to purchase some stuff from a classic eshop and ebay and I couldn't (as the seller refused to cope with all that crap) but pointed me to his Tindie shop and all went fine, could purchase the same stuff and it is on its way to me...
It seems they doing so illegally then...Every seller can be hit with a fine..
While I can't comment on legality of this move, I certainly am happy to report that the goods arrived OK, free of any taxes and fees, just like a regular EU to EU package.
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mikro wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:27 am While I can't comment on legality of this move, I certainly am happy to report that the goods arrived OK, free of any taxes and fees, just like a regular EU to EU package.
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As a similar sort of related thread has appeared, I thought I would mention it viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7480

Basically I was just mentioning:
I also have concerns that Trump will likely add tariffs onto UK to USA shipping (***). Apparently 95% of trade with the UK is "services". So Trump does not really care about the impact on the 5% of businesses, again like myself.

Shipping to USA is already extremely expensive and tariffs on top is going to put people off buying from the UK even more. It's like 5% of businesses like myself cannot ship to the EU any more because of the rules and regulations... Nobody cares about the 5%... The problem is, 5% here 5% there, it all adds up into a rather large problem IMO.
As to what impact this will have on the store like mine, it is certainly not going to help matters.

People like me should be spending our time creating products and getting them in the hands of the customers, but most of my time the past two months has been going down a political rabbit hole of rules and regulations which I have basically near zero interest in.

I have enough battles in my life, in that every direction I try and go in, there is always some seemingly impossible barrier in trying get through ,which soaks up a lot of my time. Absolutely nobody, at least small sellers like me, can run a business under all these conditions.

Regulars here will know I've been wanting to take a step back and downsize to reduce my workload for the past few years now. I just wish it would have been on my own terms, as opposed to being forced out by ever increasing rules and regulations at every turn.

I have a monumental amount of work ahead of me in restructuring what I do and how much time I spend on projects and everything in general now. Like I said in another thread, this is the reason why donations / sponsorship is important. Thankfully our great community is sending enough funds to me, to at least "keep the system alive" . It's one monumental less thing I have to worry about.

This week's battle is Lloyds bank have stopped yet another payment to one of my UK suppliers. It keeps flagging up on my account and getting text messages that I need to ring their fraud team AGAIN.. Thankfully they have not yet shut down my bank account...yet.. So I'm just going to ignore the problem.

This came about because my UK parts broker was also having problems with Lloyds bank in stopping payments and shutting down their cards etc in the end they gave up and moved to a different bank .. So because it was a new payment from myself to a new bank, Lloyds have flagged it up as fraud even though it is the same company .. So how the heck am I supposed to pay the money to the broken now ?!

But I have had conversations with their fraud team before, they just want to convince you it is a scam by any means necessary and will not let you "move on" until you promise them you will not do it again... They just want to convince you that "THEY" are right, but I know fully well they are not, at least in my cases.

So how I am supposed to pay for my parts from my favourite UK supplier now ?! its pretty perplexing and near on impossible... It was a three-day ordeal last time I had my bank account suspended and I really don't want to go through it again.. I'm getting to the point where you start sending money through the post because there's not much else I can do, maybe a postal order at the post office.. The whole thing is ridiculous and just a huge time sink!

Like I say, absolutely everything in life seems to be a monumental battle which I should not be having to deal with.. I should be able to spend my own money wherever I like, I should not require permission from a third party... Nor should they have the right to stop me spending my own money.. But here we are..... My only real option to change bank, but I really don't have the time or patience for it :( So now what ? Just sick and tired of dealing with BS like this every week. I really have much better things to be doing with my time.
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There's an interesting article on this very subject which has appeared on the Guardian newspaper website today. Quite informative.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... u-red-tape
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felicemaggie wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:31 am There's an interesting article on this very subject which has appeared on the Guardian newspaper website today. Quite informative.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... u-red-tape
Thanks. Also proves they are totally unaware of the packaging laws...
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I emailed that company pointing out GPSR and packaging laws... They replied and basically said thanks they are on the way to a solution... Great if they are. But I can never tell if they really understand what I have told them. If they have the resources to cope with it all then great but they would need very high profits and turnover to make it all worth while. A lot don't and are unaware of how problematic the packaging laws are for low turn over businesses.
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