Akai S1000

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As this is a brand new forum I am not sure if I post this in the right place and if this is the right forum to discuss this subject ?

Back in the 80s I bought an Akai s1000 with minimal addons (4MB memory) as price was terribly high at that time. To load sound I only had the choice of using FD and for editing I was using Avalon on Atari ...

Few days ago I bought an Akai S1000 fully loaded: 32MB + SCSI + DAT ...
I bought it mainly for the SCSI interface that I never had chance to try.
I started some tests:
I have successfully connected a SCSI drive and was able to format and partition it but size of the drive is limited to about 500MB. I could load some sound from my FD and transfer them to the disk.

The second test was to put a SCSI CD drive: I was able to load Akai CD samples without problem. Due to the limited size of the HD this seems the best solution.

The third test was to connect the S1000 to a PC throgh the SCSI interface. I have connected an old SCSI card on PC and linked it to the S1000. It looks like the PC sees the S1000 as an optical drive (this already indicate that the connection is good)? But I have not been able to transfer data between the PC and S1000. Problem is to find the right application. There is a mode in SoundForge to communicate with S1000 but it is using midi and not SCSI.
I did some research on the net and apparently Recycle was able to communicate with the S1000 in version 1.6 but they dropped this feature in later release because of SCSI connection problems: apparently S1000 is using SCSI I and up until Win95 PC and S1000 could communicate but this not seems possible with newer version of Windows??? I also looked at CDXtract but this is only good to read Akai samples...

So here are my questions:

• Is there a way to transfer samples from PC/Atari using the SCSI interface?
  Same for editing samples (this is less a problem as speed is not an issue).
  If some people are still using s1000 with SCSI interface, I would like to hear how they use it

Thanks
Jean

[David Etheridge]

More info:
I have found a way to copy from CD to HD directly on the S1000

The SCSI board in the S1000 is a DIB01from Mustek (equivalent IB103s). By default is does the following assignments Atari=0, HD=5, S1000=6
From what I have read it seems that Atari refer to using Supra disk from ICD

I have set the SCSI CD to ID=5 and HD to ID=4
So when I start the S1000 it automatically access CD and if I do a load it will load partition A from CD.

To be able to edit samples without loosing work I do a load entire volume from CD ... do some edit (not really yet) ...
Now to save to the drive I press DISK and in the menu I press HDSK (F5): the s1000 display current ID assignement. I change HD ID to 4 (which is the ID of my HD) and now I access the SCSI HD instead of the SCSI CD. I select the HD partition (e.g. A) and do a save entire volume. Now the content of the memory is transfer to HD!
Of course before that I did a partition of the HD using the max size for partition 60MB. As already said while the HD is 2GB only 512MB is recognized/used.

I have tried to access the content of the SCSI HD with the samples from a PC. On a laptop with Windows XP I insert an Adaptec SlimSCSI (APA1040) connected to CD and HD . everything get correctly recognized by PC: in pheripheral manager I can now see the SCSI board as well as the HD and CD.
I have tried to access the samples using CDXtract which is suppose to be able to access the HD. But unfortunately it does not work? I can select the HD but nothing is shown? However if I access the CD drive, with Akai samples CD in it, CDXtract can read and play correcly the samples from the CD ?

I have also tried Extreme Sample Converter, but this is even worst as only the CD drive is displayed (and accessed correctly) but the HD does not show?

Also tried Disk2File but could not make it work?

Any idea?

[Anonymous]

Hello,

I have only owned (and still do) Yamaha samplers. As far as I know, the trick is to load your samples into the Akai's RAM. Since none of the apps I've used see the samplers harddisk.

Recycle 1.7 (PC/Mac), Zero-X (PC/Atari) and Avalon (Atari) can send and load samplers between your computer and the Akai as long as your samples are in the samplers RAM.

Another option is to save them to disc. Here's an PC utility that can see Akai floppy discs: http://www.chickensys.com/downloads/other.php

Softsamplers like Halion/Emulator-X can read Akai S1000 CD-roms. I even think Ableton Live can.

Hope I've helped you.

[David Etheridge]

Recycle 1.7 (PC/Mac), Zero-X (PC/Atari) and Avalon (Atari) can send and load samplers between your computer and the Akai as long as your samples are in the samplers RAM.

I have been looking for Recycle 1.6/1.7 but could not found it anywhere. This old abandon SW and version 2.1 does not have the SCSI option. Do you know where I can find it ?
For Avalon I just checked the manual for V1.0 and there is no mention of transfering through SCSI. Only option was to have the Steinberg D/A board that can transfer through AES/EBU but I do not have the D/A board. Do you know if Avalon 2.0 would support SCSI? But with what interface ? I do have an ICD SCSI adapter on my Atari.

Another option is to save them to disc. Here's an PC utility that can see Akai floppy discs: http://www.chickensys.com/downloads/other.php

I thought Chicken System where out of business long time ago (looks like no update for quite some time though). I must still have the SW somewhere I'll double check this track...
I know it is possible to transfer samples by using FD but it is slow and not very handy ...

Softsamplers like Halion/Emulator-X can read Akai S1000 CD-roms. I even think Ableton Live can.

Yes this I know and use

But again the idea was to find an easy way to transfer sample back and forth between S1000 and PC or Atari.

This was useful information Thanks
Jean

[Anonymous]

I have send and loaded samples between Atari/PC and my Yamaha A3000 using Zero-X and SCSI. I remember that Zero-X on Atari Falcon had some problems with receiving. Sending worked well. Zero-X PC was quick and without problems. ReCycle on PC worked great too.

I own a legal version of Avalon 2.0 and will look tomorrow in the manual.

I will see how I can help.

[Anonymous]

Hello, I took the manual of Avalon 2.0 and it says:

"SCSI sampler settings
The following SCSI samplers are supported. As there is no difference between installing them for use with SCSI or MIDI there is no need to repeat the sampler information here. Please see the relevant MIDI section above.

AKAI S1000
AKAI S1100

DYNACORD ADS
DYNACORD ADD2

ENSONIQ EPS"

The manual says nothing about the kind of SCSI connection needed. So I think if your system drivers can find your SCSI, Avalon will see it. (My Ste's don't have SCSI and Avalon won't work on Falcon, so I can't test this)

I only have the dongle version of Avalon 2.0. I think you might use Zero-X. Please PM me.

Sending and loading between Atari/PC and sampler should work with Zero-X. With my Yamaha sampler the pc version of Zero-X works flawless. The manual states that the Atari version should work with S1000 also. (With my Yamaha A3000 only sending to the sampler works, but this sampler isn't listed)

But again: Zero-X won't see your hard disc, only the samples you've loaded in RAM.

[David Etheridge]

"SCSI sampler settings
The following SCSI samplers are supported. As there is no difference between installing them for use with SCSI or MIDI there is no need to repeat the sampler information here. Please see the relevant MIDI section above.

AKAI S1000
AKAI S1100
....
The manual says nothing about the kind of SCSI connection needed. So I think if your system drivers can find your SCSI, Avalon will see it. (My Ste's don't have SCSI and Avalon won't work on Falcon, so I can't test this)

As I said earlier I have only the documentation for Avalon 1.0
I have the version 2.0 and the dongle for 1.0 works but I am missing the doc. You do not have the doc in electronic format? A scan would be wonderful but thats a lot of work

Sending and loading between Atari/PC and sampler should work with Zero-X. With my Yamaha sampler the pc version of Zero-X works flawless. The manual states that the Atari version should work with S1000 also. (With my Yamaha A3000 only sending to the sampler works, but this sampler isn't listed)

Did not know about this program. With google I found some information and it looks great ...

[Waxjoz]

As I said earlier I have only the documentation for Avalon 1.0. I have the version 2.0 and the dongle for 1.0 works but I am missing the doc. You do not have the doc in electronic format? A scan would be wonderful but thats a lot of work

Yeah, at the moment I don't have the time and endurance for this gigantic job.

Sending and loading between Atari/PC and sampler should work with Zero-X.

Did not know about this program. With google I found some information and it looks great ...

Together with Avalon it was thé killer sampler app for Atari. Zero-X came relatively late on the scene: in the mid 90's when Atari has already stopped. It's ReCycle for Atari. The PC app is great too, it can do things ReCycle can't like replacing and rearranging loop parts.
The Atari version has less features but is still great, fresh and modern.

Zero-X is abandonware, the pc-developper Peter Button doesn't answer anymore, all development did stop a few years ago. His colleague Conny (Copson Data) from Atari times went on selling the Atari version without further development, but it seems he has giving up on it too.

[David Etheridge]

Yeah, at the moment I don't have the time and endurance for this gigantic job.

I understand scanning is a lot of work.
But there is a faster alternative still a lot of work but ...
Just take pictures of the doc.
My documenatation of Avalon came into a binder and here is an example at 1280*960

[Waxjoz]

Yeah, at the moment I don't have the time and endurance for this gigantic job.

I understand scanning is a lot of work.
But there is a faster alternative still a lot of work but ...
Just take pictures of the doc.
My documentation of Avalon came into a binder and here is an example at 1280*960

I agree taking pictures is faster but still...
Maybe there are more people that have the manual and will cooperate.

[David Etheridge]

Sorry to get back so late I have been busy with other things ...

I was not successful with ZERO-X
On Pc it works but I cannot access the Akai. Seems to be a problem of SCSI not recognized. I have changed the ASPI32 but did not help. Even worst my SCSI card was not recognized after that in device mngr. But I could fix it ...

ON ST program does not work: 3 bombs! It might be running only on Falcon. I have only STE.

Thanks anyway
Jean

[Waxjoz]

I was not successful with ZERO-X. On Pc it works but I cannot access the Akai. Seems to be a problem of SCSI not recognized.

On my PC Zero-X does work with SCSI, but I remember I had to chose a device number in Zero-X before it worked. The number was different than I expected it to be. But it did work.

ON ST program does not work: 3 bombs! It might be running only on Falcon. I have only STE.

You are probably right with that.

Succes!

[David Etheridge]

On my PC Zero-X does work with SCSI, but I remember I had to chose a device number in Zero-X before it worked. The number was different than I expected it to be. But it did work.

Unfortunately I do not see the SCSI bus where the Akai is located. Looking at information on the net it looks like the SCSI recognize by program at this time were using the Adaptec WinASPI.dll but this has been replaced in later version of Windows (last working should be Win98 and may be NT).
I will try to make a test on an old system with Win98 !!!

[Waxjoz]

On my PC Zero-X does work with SCSI, but I remember I had to chose a device number in Zero-X before it worked. The number was different than I expected it to be. But it did work.

Unfortunately I do not see the SCSI bus where the Akai is located. Looking at information on the net it looks like the SCSI recognize by program at this time were using the Adaptec WinASPI.dll but this has been replaced in later version of Windows (last working should be Win98 and may be NT).
I will try to make a test on an old system with Win98 !!!

I still use Zero-X and SCSI under Windows XP. I don't remember what I did to make it work, but it wasn't very complicated. Maybe there was a driver from Chickensys that I've used, but I'm not shure.

BTW I've got an older Adaptec SCSI II card (50 pins)

[David Etheridge]

I still use Zero-X and SCSI under Windows XP. I don't remember what I did to make it work, but it wasn't very complicated. Maybe there was a driver from Chickensys that I've used, but I'm not shure.

BTW I've got an older Adaptec SCSI II card (50 pins)

The link you provided to Chickensys has some drivers. I will try to see if it helps?
I still have several SCSI card